I have 2 pairs of snakes, pair one locked for 9 hours and same male different female locked for 23 hours (this was days later, not back to back 
). The true male for the second female has now been locked for 19 hours and counting. Who controls how long they are locked, the male? Female? Both? I just noticed the difference in time so got curious lol
Alsoā¦does size matter when it comes to hemi-peens? Can a male hatchling be āhungā thus increasing their future breeding effectiveness?
I would ask my females if they have a preference but theyāre all underage 
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Itās not the size of the hemi-peen that matters, itās how they use it 
@bluefeathurs I believe the males control it, as they use their usually larger spurs to grip onto the females back. I donāt know if this is true but itās definitely something Iāve read.
Iād take Westridges thoughts on it over mine though.
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I should have guessed 
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At least thatās what the wife tells me when the snakes outā¦ And thatās how you get yourself removed from a thread
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Females definitely have some degree of control, in that they can end it when they want to. Iāve seen females pull away from a male when disturbed by me opening the drawer. Iāve been told by at least two people that they had a male become injured this way.
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Ignoring the pervs 
. @westridge , I kinda thought they had the ānoā control since there isnāt always a lock even with great breeding males, just didnāt know what dictated how long the actual lock is
Personally, I believe lock duration, frequency, and initiation are all up to the female. My āevidenceā: twice Iāve seen males (once with a BI, once with a BP) be āover-extendedā when a female was done and the male didnāt āquitā in time:
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Dang! That doesnāt look good at all! Does he get better with time or does he need to be treated?
Iāve also seen a few of pet quality bp males being sold for alot cheaper because their hemipenes get ripped off accidentally by the female. So yeah if anyone has the most control Iād say the female does in most cases.
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How interesting 
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I had no idea that was even possible!! Thatās wild!
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The females saying āIf you donāt pull out I am taking it with me!ā
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@bluefeathurs yes and no. We helped him relax and retract from this one (sugar water and ice 
), gave him some time off to recover, and then she did it to him again while we were out of town 
. Now heās a pet only 
.
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Yeah there is also a male dreamsicle on MM being sold for less than 1k because he got them ripped off accidentally. If he had his hemipenes heād be worth a few grandā¦
Thatās crazy! I figured they had some control but not that much!
@bluefeathurs from a biological stand point, females are pretty much always the proverbial āgate keepersā of reproduction. They bear the greatest risk so they (typically) have the most control. Makes sense to me 
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