So, this snake was given to me by someone. Any ideas on what she might be? I have my thoughts. However, I’m curious to see what others think.
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Looks like maybe cinnamon but that’s just my 2 cents. I’m relatively new to IDing so I might be wrong
I could see how you would say that, however, the head stamp is not right. Cinnamons have a very dark brown head normally.
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That’s good to know. I’ll keep that in mind 
Do you have a belly pic? The coloration to me looks like YB but a belly pic would help to confirm or eliminate that.
It is certainly a Pastel. Might be Pastel YB but, as Grey notes, belly pics would be needed to help in that ID
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Doesn’t look like a YB as far as I’m concerned(belly wise). I also don’t think it is just a pastel. I have and have owned plenty of pastels and she looks much different. Will be breeding her this season so it will be interesting to see what pops out.
I agree it is not YB. But I’m not convinced it isn’t something in the YB complex like Specter. If you have a male available, try and put her with one that carries something in the YB complex and see if anything manifests.
I’m curious as to why you are suggesting YB complex?
Imo looks like a pastel.
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If the photos accurately represent the animal, there is an overall golden coloration that looks YB-ish to me. The belly doesn’t, but there are animals within the complex, like Specter, where the belly looks similar to yours. You say yourself you don’t believe it is YB or Pastel. I agree. Since you essentially have an unidentified dinker, it really doesn’t matter what you put to her, but by trying something in the YB complex, you can prove or rule out the complex. The blushed head is interesting as well. If nothing comes of the YB, you may want to consider trying something in the Fire complex next. Good luck, whichever direction you decide to take with her.
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Pastel specter is a combo im fairly familiar with and im just not seeing it. But being a subtle morph it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
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Could be an unknown het influence too. Some of the hets like puzzle and pied will create some weird changes. That said, I don’t see pied here and I’ll admit I don’t have any real experience with puzzle. Just throwing it out there. Maybe someone with more extensive experience with the hets that influence expression can chime in.
Still a nice looking girl, gonna be fun finding out what’s in there. 
I agree, you’ll want to toss a male with a known complex to start eliminating.
I agree on the het influence for sure(as far as that possibly confusing bings). I have a couple 66% het puzzles and they almost want to look like puzzles. Here is a couple pics of them.
Pastel 66% Het Puzzle
Superfly 66% Het Puzzle
The pics are showing her true colors(I’ll include a couple of her in natural light as well). I just always though that YB complex animals made animals pop a little more. For some odd reason whatever is going on with her seems to have darkened things a bit, almost got rid of any pastel influence. The is most likely pastel in her, but something else that is almost more dominant. Either way, thanks for your input. Always good to see what others see.
If she is just a pastel…She is the ugliest pastel I have ever seen! 
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I have seen pastels dull in color to near normal colors when they were adults. Some pastels just don’t retain their colors well. I would say just pastel too.
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I would say it’s age, you can still see the pastel influence it’s just faded. I see nothing else out of the ordinary that would indicate there is another gene causing the pastel to fade.
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I would say pastel for sure, no Yb complex. I think it has one of the what I call super granite genes, like nanny, trick, arcane stuff like that. I think it looks super similar to a shedder or arcane, maybe trick to me. Reason is the circles down the back of the front third and the irregular and in some cases pushed together alien heads. Nice looking snake!
I’m leaning towards her having a similar gene as well. She has “squiggly” lines around a couple alien heads as well. That’s definitely not typical for just a pastel.
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