Thank you!
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You shouldn’t be mixing either of these into incubation media at all. Can I ask how long you’ve been breeding colubrids? You don’t seem to understand that OP’s issues aren’t from media but from the egg structure themselves. These eggs would have likely gone bad no matter what they were in.
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I am not telling him to mix it with his medium or put them on the eggs. Both serve its purposes when used appropriately. You can use it to spot clean as necessary or transfer the eggs to a new batch as necessary. keeping molded eggs on the older medium if desired but not that hard to transfer to new clean medium as well as spot clean along the way. I understand the question and understand the situation. Do your own research and you will see what i am sharing is accurate and supported by hobbiest/breeders as well as herpitoligest.
You mention F10 and alcohol in the center of a paragraph dedicated to the incubation medium. Nowhere in that paragraph do you say to only use it in cleaning the eggbox prior to the substrate or to only use in a wipe before moving the eggs.
You don’t even specify to use only the wound care version of f10 on the eggs. Most keepers only have the surface disinfectant which should not be used for treating animals let alone something as sensitive as the outer surface of a freshly laid egg.
Lol
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I never said to use on eggs.
I use to feel offended or attacked and closed off to opportunities to grow or have constructive conversation without criticism when I was younger. I since have changed my stance seeing how much growth and development comes from questioning, discussing, and testing hypothesis rather than clinging to what is accepted as common knowledge or prenotion truths.
I see your point and could have worded things differently just like you could address the situation without grilling me about anything and everything that does not allign with social norms or our confirmation biases. Why not just simply say somthing without shruging emojies and Lol remarks as if that makes what i said any less true.
As for eggs, slugs are different than obsorption of material found in the substrate which cause water logging and underdeveloped/slugs after laying not slugs from infertility. It does not take long and can be present within minutes to hours depending on how pores the egg is, the compaction, moister, and aeration of the laybox.
I’m sorry this does not make sense both and is difficult to parse because of the run-on sentence and the Grammer mistakes. Slugs are unfertilized ova. Weak eggs are a different issue entirely and are not slugs. They are considered infertile because of the development issues and weaker surface defense to bacteria and mold
I don’t know why an emoji is any different than me just typing Shrug to you. It’s a pictogram of my physical response to the Convo. The lol was because that was the worst spelling of herpetologist I’ve seen. I did laugh out loud because I read it as you would say digest at the end. The idea of eating reptiles was silly.
The way that you are wording things is not written as clearly as you think. Not everyone understands how another thinks, so making sure to be extra clear and break it down to basics or repeat silly things is sometimes needed.
Yes. You understand not to put them on eggs… But without a disclaimer a new hobbiest may read that and assume that you pour it in the medium and keep it hydrated that way as well as ‘clean’.
Trying out new things is fine. But constantly harping on someone to try new things that you recommend or saying you would never use a different way is not the encouragement needed. Especially when op corrected you on the time of the eggs in the box when you assumed they left them too long.
I don’t think Jess is necessarily wrong in her asking how long you have been working with colubrids. Your shop seems to specialize in live-bearers only at the moment.
Edit basically we just want to make sure that the information is clear and that it wouldn’t be able to be misconstrued to someone reading this post 4 or 5 years or however long after the time. I would feel terrible if something I worded roughly was something that caused an issue to a clutch someone has in the future.
I don’t even use the substrate burying method currently. But I would never tell someone with colubrids eggs to use a light diffuser because the eggs will fall through the holes. They would be on substrate regardless.
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Thanks for the explanation and my spelling does suck to say the least. I was trying to explain the difference from slugs and good eggs that go bad from moisture/bacteria absorption. Sometimes things get jumbled up on my phone as I quickly type it out.
I am not harping on anything and simply responding to the conversation or attacks that seem to keep coming from a particular group of people or person. i apologize for the grammar and will pay more attention on how sentences come off. I didnt realize someone would think i was saying to put f10 on the egg.
I have lots of experience breeding lots of different animals as a whole and my store does not reflect what i have done in my life. You wouldnt tell i have bred chondros, frogs, dogs, birds, rabits, and other animals from looking at my store. At one point my family bred 1000’s of birds which stemed from sever different species.
Anyways, i shared some links to laybox and incubating substrate material. Hopefully you enjoy cloud colubrids content because he does have some prety awesome looking snakes. There is also a short showing a grate method.
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I’m just going to point out that the egg crate video shows why it’s not a great setup for hognoses. It’s a lot harder to keep proper humidity and the eggs plump. That particular creator has more clips with tricolors that show further issues, like how easy it is for hatchlings to roll remaining eggs, and the fact that as a burrowing species, they will go through the grid and burrow into the substrate. That clip is two years old. He has actually changed his incubation method multiple times since then, and now puts them directly in the substrate. This video is from a month ago:
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They make egg crates that would not allow the snakes to borrow into the substrate or roll the eggs because they are in the shape of the egg. The crate itself is not the issue with the humidity. I think you you ment dimpling issue from low and fluctuations in humidity and temperature which could just be a result from over checking, improper seel, dry medium, or improper incubation. He does say halfway point so a little to early for dimpling. Swelling will happen with moisture and nutrients obsorption and make eggs appear plump.
You will get some movement in the eggs without the crate but i have not experience a complete rolling over as you would with the first video. Its important to note that rolling will not happen if the eggs are stuck to each other
I did see this video from 24 that looks like he switched the crate up before going without a crate in your video.
Dude, please stop trying to incorrectly correct me. You chose the original video, I was just pointing out that he too has moved away from the egg crate because it’s really not well suited for this particular application. I’ll also include this video from JMG, considered one of the top hognose breeders and a guy who really knows his stuff, on how he sets up his clutches.
At this point I will no longer be replying because this has derailed from the original thread and I really should have put a stop to it a while ago.
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Not trying to correct you just trying to have an open conversation and was clarifying. Honestly, its not a big deal with regards to the video content and just trying to show different examples. Im sure there is useful information in the mix with variouse ways of doing things. Did you notice cloud colubrids used no crate just vermectilite. I know it was not hognose but its another way of doing it.
I did notice how dry and aerid the coco was and the difference in the eggs appearance when he was collecting the eggs. Do you know if that was the laybox or just the incubtion tub prepared ahead of filming the incubtion video?
Anyway, im done responding as well and wish you all the best. I look forward to the awesome pictures and i promise to keep my mouth shut. Only likes from this point on.
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@noodlehaus @armiyana thank you both! I based everything off of Jeff @ jmg. To me he is at the top of the pyramid and knowledge scale when it comes to hognose. Thats who I based just about everything off of. Lay box, substrates, incubation, etc
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Also my third female pushed her clutch out yesterday. Trying @adon87 method of off the medium. If they fail, ohhhh boy you’re in for it! lol
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Fair enough but not sure about the containers and periite amount that you are using. I used somethigng similar to cloud coulubrids walmart special. Agreed that jmg knows his stuff but their is a big difference in his laybox in that short and other videos I watched from yours. His was loose and aerid with little water logging.
Edited: i just noticed those eggs look to big for that tray and may have issues further down the development stage. I used crates I found around my house that was in an old fish aquarium. I notched out placement wholes. I tourched the ends and molded them with a bird stand stick laying around the house. I used perlite instead of vermectilite in a walmart type food storage container with the tray siting on top and the eggs not touching the perlite. I just closed the lid with no seal press. The eggs were stored in a room in the attic next to a window and no incubator and no heat mat was used.
and wish you the best. Sometimes weneed to fight through those growing pains and mouthy siblings. I know ill be quiet.
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