Dad is Amos produced Mojave leopard ember yellowbelly 100% hypo 50% pied at time of sale clearly he proved out mom was a pastel hypo pied.
Not even sure if this is in the right section to claim the world’s firsts for a few of these babies.
If need more pics just let me know couple hid their heads at last second
Nobody really cares or is keeping track of word’s firsts at this point as there’s roughly 3.71 × 10^37 possible combinations given that there’s 231 known and established morphs (some of which are allelic - reducing the potential # of combinations a bit).
With that many possible combinations and permutations, “world’s first” combos are not particularly rare, nor is keeping track of that many feasible.
Ok noted but none the less im going to keep asking for the simple fact certian people seem to be able to add stuff so there for the rest of us should be allowed to do it also
Where? Ask them to add it? shrug
Also it looks like they haven’t shed yet? Especially with fire complex having a shed or two is best for color to come in
I wasn’t meaning to suggest that you couldn’t share combos you’ve made and are excited about - by all means you’re welcome to post and share them! But I think most of what you’re seeing being added and tracked are new morphs that people have found - not combos or “world’s firsts”, which I don’t know that anyone is tracking due that being completely impossible to keep up with and prove
If you want I can put sheds back in tubs with them for proof they shed.
World’s first Mojave leopard ember yellowbelly 50% het hypo 50% het pied patriotic exotics. No shed test for ember so they did peer review to add hers. That’s all im asking for im not saying these are worlds first im asking the community to look an give their opion on if they are worlds firsts.
Is it not kind of belittling newer breeders when they ask for help to only down play what they did. I thought we are supposed to be a community. Communities help one another not try to hold them down
We cannot in anyway verify a world’s first. That’s all there is. When you ask if this is a world’s first we cannot tell you. So stop asking about a world’s first.
Someone here can tell you what they think the ID is. That’s it.
I don’t work with or know Ember so I cannot accurately ID it.
If all you are working for as a breeder is your name in something like a Guinness book of records… Just pay them. I’m sure somewhere there’s someone keeping a track of Kinova 's work. 
I am a small hobby breeder, not some big name that charges patreon or subscriber fees for info or access. Have I made a world’s first? Probably. I have a couple combos that I cannot find listed anywhere. Do I care? No. No one else would even care what I have. Lol
Most of what anyone cares about are the top 1% of BP breeders or new looking mutations out of africa.
Why don’t you care buddy you should? I care if you produced a world’s first a didnt get credit.
To say it only matters if the top 1% does it that shits on all the beginners of ball python breeding.
Pied came in by basicly hobbiest at that time albino same thing a relatively no named breeder at the time
Pastel Mojave spider hypo/ghost
Granted my Mojave leopard ember yellowbelly pastel baby my Mojave leopard ember yellowbelly baby. Genes have been around 20 plus years shows that worlds firsts still come around even though not produced in a 100+k reptile facility
This thread is about building a paper trail nothing more nothing less. Since shed tests places don’t test for ember to basicly prove it out is what has to be done to get the animal recognized as a first.
With over 7,500 documented morph combinations already in the hobby and hundreds of base genes available, the vast majority of multi-gene Ember combinations—especially 3-, 4-, 5-, and 6-gene combos stacked with double recessives—have never been produced.
Don’t be a gatekeeper for the top 1% everybody should be recognized for what they did regardless of if they make money off it or not
The fact that you keep conflating morphs with combos isn’t really helping your case.
Pasting content from somewhere else doesn’t necessarily help convince people, either.
I’m not gatekeeping. I’m being a realist. I’m not an achievement hunter and I’m not going to throw money at what’s hot to be noticed.
The market is oversaturated. There are too many breeders that only care for what the top is making. The new breeders who drop big money in patreons are the ones that get more attention.
Keep you digital footprint here, but that’s all it really is. Cool looking snakes that you produced. You are working towards what YOU want to breed which is better than most of the hobby is producing right now.
Breeding what I want to breed is more important to me than trying to play ‘pick me’ with people more concerned with new trends and forgot mojave, pied, enchi and hypo.
As an aside, do remember that BEL combos and pied can cause issues, even in het BEL form sometimes.
I don’t think anybody is saying that, I think most of us are pointing out that we don’t care regardless of who produces it. Anyone from the large scale breeders that are active on social media to the person who has two ball pythons can claim they produced a world’s first, and since nobody’s keeping a comprehensive registry, maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. 
There are plenty of breeders who may not be on social media, and many who may be breeding in different countries around the world and not be active on US-centric websites, so anyone can claim whatever they want unless it’s challenged. Which it probably won’t be, because a lot of people don’t care or won’t even see the post.
Obviously you care, and that’s great, but I don’t think you’re going to get the validation you’re looking as nobody that I know of is tracking supposed world’s firsts
So @kevinfletcher Kevin hello. I am a keeper only (bps), so tbh I don’t understand one iota of what you guys in this thread are talking about regarding genes and combos, etc. I agree with @armiyana Christina, that you have some really cool looking snakes. But then I think all bps are cool looking because they are bps.
Every new model cell phone, in my case IPhone, that comes out is the world’s “new” first. Until…………the Next new iPhone comes out and It’s the world’s first, and the beat goes on. The last iPhone is old news.
I say that to say this, that you will never have world’s first because the next world’s first is right around the corner. I can sense your fervor for wanting to make a name for yourself and there is nothing wrong with that. At all. However you are banging your head against a brick wall here because you are wanting to hear what you want to hear and not listen to what you need to hear.
The people here are knowledgeable, fair, but most of all honest. You are presenting a case that simply cannot be won. Here. No prejudice, just honesty. If they tell you what you want to hear, this will undermine the credibility of this forum. There are NO favorites here. That’s the difference between this forum and Reddit, Facebook, etc. I have a lot less patience than the people here who are carrying on this conversation. Obviously your 4 letter word was left go/allowed.
I’m confused what the OP is looking for. Is it recognition for a “world’s first”?
