Got mites from a store bought animal : cue suffering (an ongoing story)

I was worrying that was the case from the get-go, I just never had the experience to know for certain that was what happened or how to handle it. With how his jaw is slack and the odd tenseness of his neck it seemed like a brain issue and I knew enough that hognoses didn’t handle most chemicals at all. I think the big failure was me figuring with the amount of mites on him and research on nature’s miracle saying it was “ok for hognoses” that being thorough with cleaning him was alright. Age wise all posts said he was fine to deal with the chemicals but weight wise as a male I don’t think he should be. My next suspicion was his diet (reptilinks/pinkies) was lacking calcium but I’m certain his physical ailments are all because of the chemical.

However I’m optimistic. He has gone from not moving at all with a terrible squeak for a hiss to an alright hiss and managing to get around alright. His tail can wrap around my finger and has strength to it. I have cleaned and wiped down his tub for now (since before I was spraying it down with the miticide before adding the paper towels once dry) and made sure to do the same with his water dish, got him on paper towels again. I don’t have any worry that the mites will come back for him since I have not seen any on him after we started treatment. Tonight I’ll be going to pick up a tub just for him and keeping him in my office with my non-infected Leo, Mai Tai. (not too surprising but all my tubs are taken up right now and the hognose size ones are all missing their lids??? at least the non sandwich size ones, and i want him to have some kind of heat gradient lol)

My only worry is making sure he’ll be able to eat but he hasn’t shown interest in food so far. As someone who’s had a hognose go 5+ months without food at his size I’m not too worried but just want to be cautious about it. I might try scenting his next pinkie with a frog (how I got earlier picky eater to eat, as well as my eastern) just to see if that might wet his appetite. I intend to give him water only baths to make sure he’s getting some liquids in him since I’m certain it’s hard for him to get it himself with his neck like that. He is alert now and can move about in his tub slowly, I just want to ensure his quality of life is an alright one if he doesn’t get any much better. With every snake I have, pet or breeder, I intend to treat them as I would my dog/cat/child(shhh don’t tell my 7 yo) in that I will take care of them no matter what happens.

This entire thing makes me wish there was a go-to place on the MM or a wiki or just the net in general on how to handle a mite outbreak in such a wide variety of animals like my collection. Since I have nothing better to do with a week off this week, I might put together at least a draft. :person_shrugging: If I can help any other keeper avoid the problems I’ve had with Gary and Ely it’d be worth it (mostly the reason I’ve posted and updated this thread!).

9 Likes

This whole situation is so unfortunate for you. However you really could turn it into something good for some other keeper by sharing your learning experience. I sincerely hope from the bottom of my heart that Gary pulls out of this for your sake as well as his of course.

God bless you @tande. You have a sweet spirit. :pray:

6 Likes

This is something i have been trying to compile, but people are seriously reluctant to talk about the animals they have killed by accident so getting information is difficult, to put it mildly

10 Likes

I come with the worst news possible, Gary has died at some point this evening. :confused: I’m really frustrated since its ultimately my fault. He had the prettiest headstamp out of all my hognoses and i was hoping to see if he would father ones with similar headstamps.

So if anyone is wondering no, natures miracle is not safe for hognoses, especially younger ones.

11 Likes

Oh man that’s such horrible news! Gary was certainly a little fighter. :disappointed:

6 Likes

My deepest sympathies to you, Tande. It is never easy

8 Likes

Don’t blame yourself too harshly, ultimately a lot of these products have very general instructions and likely haven’t been properly safety tested on different species & sizes. You were trying to do your best in a terrible situation. RIP Gary, you cared for him and loved him the way an owner should, you were let down by the lack of information. It’s one of the hardest lessons when you lose an animal in any way you had a hand in, but you’re stronger and more knowledgable for it. I don’t know if you’re in the mind to do so, but you may want to contact Petco again about this, because ultimately their mite issue led to this outcome.

10 Likes

Well said @noodlehaus.

6 Likes

I think this is a good way of thinking on it, also now I can help others, both breeders and hobbyists I know, about the dangers of certain chemicals. I already knew PAM was a no go for the hoggies thankfully thanks to this forum.

I buried Gary earlier this morning in my garden alongside an Eastern I had that was ftt named Ray that died during the winter (her sister is Rex, the huffy one I have). He got to be in a fanciest of jewelry boxes, just as pretty as him. Even though he was just going to be a breeder animal for me he still was also a pet and a member of the family (no matter how huffy he was).


Nerdy box, I know (first person to know where its from gets to name my next animal).

As for Petco I’m not 100% sure on raising a fuss, its at the point of I’ve put so much energy into resolving this mess that its one part I’m not excited to dig up again. I highly urge everyone to not get their substrate or animals there or really any big box stores with live animals. It’s still a difficult subject since its 100% possible to get them thru other breeders but I honestly trust the random MM sellers I’ve bought from more than any pet store. Just like any system, a random breeder just has themselves to slip up vs the pet store having an entire chain of nameless faces where no one will own up to their mistake.

I’ll be going to the Tinley show in October and might try to line up with a hognose breeder to pick up an animal there before it gets on the show floor to avoid that issue, and also found out one of the mexican hoggy breeders I’ve found lives in the same city as me (a huge coincidence), so I might end up getting a male from them since now the only male I have now is from the same clutch as one of my females.

I’ve spent some time refashioning my blue tongue skinks’ enclosures (hotdog and little smokey) and sprayed it down with PAM (after removing their water bowls). As its been 2 weeks+ and they currently have been in tubs and have shown no signs of mites what so ever, I am comfortable placing them back into their enclosures after it the PAM is dried. These two weren’t in bioactive so it was fine to use the chemicals there. Hotdog has been in shed and slightly thankful that the tubs have higher humidity easier but Little Smokey is more shy so he does not like the attention in the living room.

I will most likely follow this with each ball python going back into their tubs (not the 4x2x2s, i have a 3 stack tub system for the two I didn’t have the enclosures for) so I only have two ball pythons out in the living room. This is after I inspect them for any bugs or issues, the one who showed mites to begin with will very much stay in the quarantine tub for the entirety of the 2 months his bioactive is going thru mite removal/death.

I’ll admit I’ve missed all the animals that were once in my office. Hotdog would sometimes do the glass dance on his enclosure and Little Smokey liked to watch me play games/work at my computer. Late night raiding with my friends in game was always accompanied by all the ball pythons in the 4x2x2s either watching the monitor (pretty flashy colors) or climbing and falling like the curious cats they really are.

Also in better news Snowy/Ely the texas rat snake aka patient zero (maybe Zero would be a good name for him…) is visually mite free, including the odd ones in his eyes that were lingering.

Here is a cute picture of my ASF colony babies as a chaser for all the sadness that’s happened lately.

8 Likes

Oh how terrible! I am so sorry! Like everyone is already saying, no one blames you, so please don’t blame yourself! You were doing the best that you could with the tools available to you. Also thanks for sharing, it sucks but it may really help other people!
R.I.P. Gary

6 Likes

Thanks for the help. I copied the instructions and put it in my documents. I am very grateful for the great information.

1 Like