Help with ID please first ever hatchlings

Hi there can I start by saying what an amazing community this is :blush:

I’m wanting help on ID if possible. Dame is pastel Lesser that we know of

Sire is Phantom het Ghost

They had 11 eggs

Definitely 2 karma pastels 1 pastel 1 phantom 2 normals and 5 we think pastel Lesser but they are super bright :heart_eyes: wondering if there is something extra in mum


Thanks for looking advice always welcome :blush:

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Congratulations on your first clutch! Super exciting stuff! I’m not seeing any extra genes personally was there something in particular you think she is carrying?

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Thanks so much :blush: No idea to be honest they are just so bright haha wondering if there is some sort of lightening or enhancing gene. What ever they are they are stunning and we are so over the moon with the clutch :heart_eyes:

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As you should be! When they first hatch they will be super bright! Always best to wait till they shed to identify. I don’t think there is any lightening or cleaner gene present. Here’s a picture of a pastel lesser with a lightening gene that I hatched to give you an idea of how much it changes them.

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Awesome thanks so much :blush: the hatchlings have just had their first shed and are still so bright :heart_eyes: we are keeping 6 out of the 11 so hopefully will be able to prove them in years to come :blush: thanks very much @saleengrinch

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If the male is proven het for Ghost, then it is not out of the realm to presume that some, all, or none may also be het for Ghost. In my experience, an animal that is het for Ghost tends to be brighter than its counter part without the Ghost gene present, even though it is not visual for lack of a second copy. I would not be surprised if the Lesser baby proved het for Ghost also.

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Wouldn’t they all be 66% Het for Ghost?

Actually, no.
If your male is a proven 100% het for Ghost and your female isn’t het at all, then every egg has a 50/50 chance of the male throwing the Ghost gene, or a 50% probability. If both parents were het for Ghost, then you would have a 66% probability that any non visual Ghost animals would be het for Ghost. The probability is just that, how probable is the likelihood that the hatchling is carrying the gene. The reality is, every snake either is 100% het or is not het at all, and the only way to know is to breed them and prove it out one way or the other. When you breed a visual animal to a non het animal, then everything will be 100% het because a visual animal carries two copies of the gene and will throw one of the two, with every egg. I hope that helps.

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I’m still learning. But your right, I should have known that. I was thinking they both were het. My bad.

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Thanks so much that makes a lot of sense we have 5 that colour haha :heart_eyes: definitely holing a fair few back so time will tell. Thanks for your input :blush:

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My guess is you are seeing the het ghost influence. I know people are going to come out and say that’s impossible to see, but, whenever I hatched hets there’s definite difference in the clutch between normals and hets.

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Recessive hets show no visual indication. In a true recessive trait there is no such thing as het influence.

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Thought I’d update the pictures :heart_eyes: only thing that’s edited is our name :wink:










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We can agree to disagree on that.

Can’t argue with science.

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Not really if the definition of recessive genes is they do not have markers. The example of pied is because it is believed to be a co-dominant gene with a very weak influence as a single copy.

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Hi guys sorry for bringing back an old post. Its been suggested that female may have orange dream. I don’t really know much about it do any of you think that’s a possibility for the colours of the hatchlings. A lot are really peach colour coming up from their bellies.

I will include more up to date pictures of them grouped dark and light :grin:


I really would appreciate some guidence because at this point I’m clueless :joy::joy:

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