Had some unexpected babies hatch this year from our Normal? (Got a ID on her from FB last year) X Cinder, stripe het Amel. Would love some help on IDing the babies.
I’m thinking something along the lines of Ultramel, pupils are ruby on KU1, KU13 & KU9 it’s not picking up great on camera.
Added pictures of mom too. (Some are from when she was younger)
Dad has produced a clutch with a butter that just produced Amels & Normals.
I’ll more than likely be double checking IDs with some others from the same clutch too once I’ve got pictures over the next couple of days. Thanks!
This is a tough one! Mom appears to at least be a masque, but I think a hypo type could be present as well. Can you post a shot of her whole belly in natural lighting? Ultra and ultramel are definitely not my specialty! And since it’s a hybrid gene, it can sometimes be more variable and a bit harder to pinpoint. Babies 9 and 2 look to be masque at least. 5 and 6 look like normals. 9,13, and 1 definitely have sort of hypo thing going on. Sorry that’s not more helpful!
If you haven’t already, I highly recommend posting them to the Corn Snake Morph I.D. Help Facebook group. Sarah Mohr, Megan Watson, and others are super knowledgeable!
I’ll try to get full belly shots of mom tomorrow as it’s 3am for me
I have posted them to Morph ID but waiting on them being approved.
Nope no Amels just a few like KU9 and a mix of masques, normals and some normal looking ones but with super bright yellow between the saddles.
KU1 is the only one in the clutch like that and same with KU13.
It’s really had me scratching my head, I was thinking some type of ultra due to the transparent type look to the saddle borders.
I’ve posted Dad on here before:
Oh yeah, I think I recognize him! He’s super cool, cinder stripe definitely looks like the correct ID for him. How many hatchlings did you hatch? If mom was ultramel (het ultra, and het amel, since they’re allelic), it’s likely you would have gotten some amels, unless it was a super tiny clutch. Although you can’t rule it out completely, because it’s just an odds game. She could certainly be het ultra or homozygous ultra though.
I agree!! I don’t work with ultra/ultramel either but I do know those can present very differently., with a wide range of phenotypes. Hybrid genetics isn’t as straightforward as we sometimes imagine ought to be.
I’ll start by saying that looks to me like she has something going on besides normal genetics. Too yellowish in her ground color, too light between saddles. Her head is also very light for a wild type, though part of that may be Masque. She’s got very little in the way of borders and what I see doesn’t look very black. Masque causes a bit of hypo- like lightening, but not to this degree.
Could the lighter backgrounds on K6 and K9 be partly a result of being het Cinder?
I have to agree with Olivia. On all of that. Pics in natural light will be helpful. I will take another look tomorrow. It’s been a rough day here.
PS - Congrats on your lovely (if puzzling) babies!
I’ll certainly try to get pics of moms belly tomorrow, thankfully it’ll be a little cooler here tomorrow so I’ll be able to get her outside.
All photos of babies are in natural light other than the eye pics where I used flash to try to capture the ruby pupil. I’ll try to get the babies outside too for some more pics if it’ll help.
I was thinking the few like KU9 was showing that het cinder in the background.
Thank you they’re lovely and hey a puzzle makes it fun sometimes annoying when you’re just left head scratching but mostly fun!
Hey guys! I spoke with Megan and we’re thinking ultramel since dad is het Amel if they’re ultra the they must be ultramel… going to try to get hold of a ultra that’s not het Amel and a hypo to test breed mom too. Got some updates pics of the babies Defo going to be a few holdbacks here! (All pics are in natural lighting on a overcast day)
I see what look to be Ultramels with those ruby eyes and light, reduced borders. I see some pretty Classics. I’m sticking with the het Cinder causing some of the very clean backgrounds. I don’t work with Ultra or Cinder (though I’m looking).
Much as I hate to throw yet another possibility into the mix, I really wonder if the very yellow tones some of them have are from possibly being het Caramel. Mom’s got some very warm coloration and the Caramel gene is pretty widely dispersed. She could be het Caramel which means she could pass it along. Or I’m seeing het Caramels everywhere because I’m looking at so many Caramel types here.
Congratulations again. They really are lovely little things!
well luck will have it I have a male that’ll be perfect to test breed her with my caramel tessera motley that’s het hypo 2 birds one stone and as far as I’m aware he’s not het Amel
I’ve also got a phantom male which I could test her too if I don’t see results from the caramel het hypo, then I just need to get a ultra male for her
Thank you for your wonderful input as always @caryl