Been breeding beardies for years now, decided to try ball pythons this year.
Bred our Black Pastel Het Pied x Butter Pastel Het Pied and just wanting some confirmation on what was produced. Thank you
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I am pretty sure this is what you have but I have had a long day and it is midnight so no promises lol.
- Black pastel
- Black pewter (black pastel pastel)
- I believe this is a black pastel lesser pied paradox but I am not sure
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Are these photos before the first shed? I just hatched a lesser pewter clutch and boy did the colors start coming in after.
How many are in this clutch?
-Blk pastel
-Lesser… Possible Blk pastel. It’s so deep in shed tho.really need a better photo after
-lesser pewter paradox. Really neat snake
Bowl of noodles soup…
Can’t really say for sure but I do see a Blk pewter. And what does look to be a lesser Blk pastel.
Really need individual pics of them when they shed.
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Appreciate the response! will get better pics up ASAP. Only had these 4 photos that were usuable at time of posting. Will get entire clutch up soon.
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No problem! Also…
Are both parents 100% het pied? With 7-8 babies I would hope to hit at least one, but it looks like you have a really neat paradox instead. It could be a very low white pied, but that is very unusual with Blk pastel Pieds.
Yes both are supposed to be 100% het pied. We only had got 6 eggs this clutch, 7-8 may have done the trick. None the less still absolutely stoked with the turnout
. I thought the circled areas may be the pied showing? Ill update this in a few days after they have all shed with more/better pictures.
Ah! The bowl looked like 4 more to me, that’s why I thought 7.
I’m gonna tag @t_h_wyman in as well on this one. Because I could absolutely be wrong, but I’ll explain my own reason why I think it’s het or paradox. The only way to know for sure would be to skin shed test as well.
The downside is that het pied and black pastel can result in ringers. Which have that same look to them. It’s also why when mixed with sandblast an urban camo has as much white as they can when only being het pied. I have a super mojave het pied that is either single gene cinny or super cinny who has 2 different shades of white that show up like that as well.
Typically, black pastel pieds are 70% or more white. It’s not a hard and set rule…some genes can make a difference but lesser isn’t really one of them. Also, lesser pieds, even in single gene form have a high chance of bead eye or microphthalmia.
Here’s an example of both the white and the eyes in a blk pastel lesser pied. According to the breeder this boy was also blind.
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I would say number two is either a Black Pastel Butter or a Black Pastel Butter Pastel, but you won’t know until it sheds since it’s in deep blue in that photo.
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I really don’t remember writing any of my post but I am confused on why I thought this was a black pewter. At least I am 1/3 
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This is not entirely accurate
Microphthalmia happens in every BluEL Pied, but single gene Pied Lessers can have normal eye but, weirdly, can also have bug-eyes
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So…
OP, the first thing you need to do is let these animals shed and feed a couple times. There is a huge amount of colour change that occurs over the first couple months as pigments fully express and oxidize and such. Also, the baby skin throws things off
From what you have posted
- BlkPastel
- Butter Pastel
- Butter Pewter het Pied
- Starting at 9 o’clock with the previously ID from #2: Butter Pastel, Butter Pastel, Pewter, Butter
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I haven’t seen any with bug eye yet. That’s good to know!
I mostly just brought up lesser pied because it’s what op is working with. I see bead eye so much even in the single genes. I saw a few Mojaves too.
Thank you for coming to the summon! 
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