Agreed. However I to be clear (less for you two and more for people that may come and read this later) that this is not a “cure”. These snakes still have the neuro trait and still pass it on to their offspring
I may be a little biased, but look into Woma. While they are also susceptible to neuro it is much less common to have an extreme case with them. In all the years I have been breeding them I would say that I have only seen one case that I would consider “strong” expression and that is in combo with another known wobbler
As hard as it is for me to find a reliable source of live mourning geckos, today, in Virginia
@owalreptiles can we add the Super GHI skin issue that neonates commonly have to this list.
The first 6-10 months they have wrinkly/thin skin. That’s probably not the best description of it but it is definitely a common defect. Seems to cause stuck sheds too unless you really ramp up humidity. Eye caps shed in pieces as well when it’s a bad shed.
It does resolve with age, and every specimen doesn’t necessarily have it, but more have it than don’t. Happens in combos as well.
Here is a Super Pastel Super GHI that’s currently stuck in a stubborn full body shed. You can see pieces of the eye caps still attached around the edges and the odd texture of the stuck shed on the body.
I can give some references to other breeders who’ve experienced this issue as well.
That would be great, something like that Id personally want to see quite a few different breeders report the issue given it’s an issue that could be mimicked with husbandry. Very interesting issue also lol.
What about issues that are possibly not a health problem, just beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My example is sometimes larger ‘BUG’ eyes occur in super lessers.
Mine do mot have it, but personally I like massive blue eyes.
1, Do BUG eyes cause health problems,
2, is it genetic in the offspring? so will a bug eye in the breeders make a bug eye super lesser more likely in there offspring?
3, should I care if I like the look of BUG eyes in super lessers?
The issue itself can’t be mimicked by bad husbandry. The stuck shed sure, but the baggy/wrinkly skin is genetic.
Justin @morph_jungle is probably the best resource. He’s pretty much the Super GHI guy. @mirandajoy experienced with her Super GHIs as well. I’ll rack my brain for some more.
Miranda did a better job showing it in photos, here are a couple from her IG. If you go to her page and scroll back to September of 2020 she’s got a video in one of her photo carousels that shows it pretty well.
I have definitely noticed single gene combos with visible wobble symptoms. I thought it had been confirmed and added to the issues list a while ago, but I posted in a forum here just a few weeks ago and responded to someone confirming single gene spotnose as a wobble morph, and multiple people told me I was wrong.
A combo would not be a single gene. Spotnose in single gene form doesn’t show a visual wobble. When added with other wobble genes you will get visual wobble. Also get a wobble in super spotnose which is two copies of spot nose so not a single gene either.
Fair enough but by definition single gene is a single gene……. Spotnose in single gene does not show a visual wobble. @wreckroomsnakes had spoken on this and she produces a lot of spotnose. Only when adding other gene most notably other wobble genes do we notice a wobble. So to say spotnose in single gene shows a visual wobble is just incorrect.
To answer this using the above example. It’s possible that these combos you are seeing are spotnose (4) + others that are also in that 1-4 range… Not visible by themselves but if the combo adds up to 5+ you will start to see something.
What I meant by single gene was non-super and non-mixed with any other neuro spectrum gene. In the interest of notation I actually marked down the combos I saw with noticeable wobble syndrome at the last big expo I went to. They included a phantom spotnose, pastel calico spotnose, black pastel spotnose het clown, and a simple pastel spotnose. These are all animals I noticed visible (minor) wobble symptoms in, and these are all heterozygous spotnose combos. This isn’t the first time I’ve noticed heterozygous spotnose animals with a wobble