New Breeder Seeking Advice

Hi everyone, I’m a longtime reptile keeper (all kinds of species, but with a special affection for corn snakes), and I’m slowly dipping my toe into breeding. I’m starting this hobby in middle age, so while I have lots of experience as a pet owner, I’m very new to the breeding world. I’ve had a lackluster few years with the pet corns I already owned, and concluded they weren’t suited for breeding, so I’ve started getting more serious about acquring snakes specifically for breeding (the other snakes I got originally as pets, and they had fine genetics, but I didn’t acquire them specifically for breeding purposes), and I should be ready for serious pairing next year. I really love all things caramel, as well as lavenders, so that’s the direction I’m heading in the future.

I’ve been lurking on the forums for awhile, and it’s so cool to see how much knowledge and experience is here! I would love to know if anyone has any advice, or anything you wish you’d known before you got started. I’m really just doing this for fun, and because I find the science behind the genetics fascinating. I look forward to any and all tips and tricks you can offer!

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Hey! Before acquiring a breeding pair or trio, it’s good to really know what you like so you have a target. Knowing how the mutations work and interact is important. It’s nice to buy for your eye and for the genes, so you may want a pair or trio of snakes that look different from each other but that are genetically compatible in terms of color and pattern mutations. That’s also a consideration in deciding what you want to produce. While I love a clutch of corns that look the same, variety is a bit more fun. :slight_smile:

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Great advice! I think this is the mistake I made previously, which is exactly why I’m trying to be more mindful going forward.

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Remember too that a healthy male can “service” more than one female. You don’t have to have a male for every female.

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Welcome Corvin! You came to the right place for advice on breeding in general but breeding corn snakes in particular! There are several season corn snake breeders here including @deanaii Dean. Good luck! :wink:

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Welcome! Welcome! I was in the same boat as you are a couple years ago. Although we’d been keeping for some time, my son finally talked me into breeding. We’ve been having so much fun—and some frustrated tears as any new venture will inevitably bring—but I still have no regrets and am so happy we took the plunge.

Be so, so careful with where you source your lavender stock. Some lines produce a high number of kinks per clutch. I’ve had great luck with Chris Nichols. I purchased a diffused amaretto (hypo + caramel + lavender) from him, that I named Arctic. He just produced offspring in two clutches this year and I didn’t have a single kink! I know @caryl has some really good lavender lines as well (many of hers originate with Chris Nichols, too). I have a couple females growing up that will be much better pairs for my boy Arctic than the females I had this year, and I look forward to their offspring, too.

Also make sure you have a way to house the babies if they don’t sell right away. MM has been a great platform for me, but I still have two that haven’t sold yet. I am glad I was prepared to house as many as needed in the meantime because my first sales as a newbie were pretty slow to get started.

MM Community is so much better than FB for getting questions answered, so you’re in the right place. I’ve received so much support and made friends I never knew I needed on here. It’s been such a joy. Welcome, again!

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I thought I would introduce my current group of snakes.

First up is Maple, hatched in 2022. She’s Ultra; Tessera; 66% het Anery; 66% het Caramel.

Her mate is Aspen, a 2024 hatched snake who is a Butter male, Het Cinder; Het Hypo; Het Red Coat; Het Sunkissed.

I also have Poppy, an Amel Motley snake with the sweetest temperment. She is gorgeous, brighter white, though not as bright as a Fluorescent or High White. She supposedly has some possible hets, but the friend I got her from couldn’t remember what they were, so we’ll see if she gives me some surprises. Even if I only ever got normals or amels from her, it would be worth it if they had her sweet demeanor.

The babies and juveniles I’m growing up (25 & 25 babies) are:

  • Clover: Female; Butter
  • Fern: Female; Caramel; het Amel; 66% het Sunkissed
  • Violet: Female; Lavender; het Amel; Het Diffused; Het Sunkissed; Pos Het Caramel; Pos Het Charcoal; Pos Het Hypo
  • Marigold; Female; Saffron; Motley
  • Rowan: Male; Masque; Tessera; Het Anery; Het Diffused; Het Strawberry; Het Lavender
  • Flint; Male; Shatter; het Butter
  • Briar Male; Charcoal; Hypo; Lavender; Peach; Het Amel; 50% Het Sunkissed

What am I missing? Any morphs you’d suggest I check out?

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Thanks so much!

My two snakes with lavender or het lavender do actually come from Chris Nicholas lines, though I got them from other trustworthy breeders. I’ve been concerned about this since I had a lavender pet only snake years ago who ended up passing away due to what seemed like a minor kink. It’s great to know that you didn’t have any issues with Chris’s lavenders!

Building a baby snake rack is definitely going to be a winter project!

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This matters so much to me! I have been breeding for disposition since my first clutch. There’s not as much discussion of the heritability of disposition in reptile circles as one sees in other areas, like dogs or horses. I recognize that for many species this doesn’t matter so much, as there are many species who are typically only display animals. Corn snakes have a well deserved reputation as wonderful pets, and most can be just that. They might hatch skittish, as they instinctively understand that they are prey for many things in nature, but most settle fairly soon. That said, there are definitely individuals and bloodlines who are on the wilder side, and there are definitely bloodlines who are sweethearts right from the egg. I personally do not breed animals who have proven themselves to be stinkers, disposition wise.

You’ve got a lovely assortment and a lot of possibilities for combinations. One of the joys and also one of the challenges of breeding is that you’ll find yourself with new possible projects and unexpected directions popping up from what you produce. Expect this, and same at least some mental and physical space in your plans for it.

As far as Lavenders, @snakesofshadowlake is correct that you need to be careful. Purple is my favorite color. I avoided Lavenders for many years until they had been outcrossed enough to eliminate a lot of the early trouble with kinks. Natalie is correct that I’ve had good success with snakes from Chris Nicholas, as well as from Sean Niland (VMS). I’ve got a couple from other sources, too. Should be getting a first clutch from one of those any minute. (Yes, I’m dying to see them!)

Other basic recommendations, well, ask a lot of questions when you’re purchasing anything. The more information you can get, the better. Develop a good relationship with your vet. Don’t wait for an emergency to try and locate someone. Be prepared to house every single baby you produce for at least a year. That’s my personal baseline. It’s not what has actually happened, but since I’m prepared for that I’m not in a state of panic about selling them. For certain unusual morphs, I keep them until they’re at least a year or two old to watch their development.

I could probably go on but this is probably too long already. I’ll close by again saying welcome to the exciting, frustrating, surprising, heartbreaking, thrilling, annoying, satisfying, time consuming, wondrous task of breeding corn snakes.

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Great collection! Need to see more pics. :slight_smile:

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Yes, please!

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Welcome welcome! I’m not from the corn breeding side of things but I always love seeing what our resident forum cornheads produce – seems like it’s always a flavour adventure with corns. And you’re in the right place for advice, especially ongoing.

Love the idea of breeding for temperament. It’s an often-overlooked factor, which is a shame, since snakes with a gentler and less fearful temperament are going to be less stressed being the family pet (just as much as the family’s going to be less stressed if they have a less bitey snake).

Much luck to you and your lovely little guys!

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Me three! Let’s see some photos!

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I’m hoping to get some good photos before I feed them this week!

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Ok, I’m not great at snake pictures, but here are some pre-feeding pics of the crew. Most of these are young’uns and need growing up, but all my snakes are pets first, so I don’t mind.

I was disappointed that Clover wouldn’t eat yesterday. She has never missed a meal before, neither for me nor her breeeder, as I have all her records, and she’s not going into shed. She seems healthy otherwise, and nothing has changed in her setup. I did get this order of rodents from a different supplier than normal. Would that be enough to throw her off? The others had no problems, and the quality seems great. Hopefully she will eat next week.

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I have heard of this happening in the past but with ball pythons, which are notorious for picky eating habits anyway. I would not worry at this point. Corns are very hardy eaters but she just may not have been hungry that particular feeding day. Sometimes snakes can sneak in an unannounced shed on us as well so I would not be too quick to discount that possibility.

Great pics of some lovely corns btw! :wink::blush:

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Beautiful group!

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Wonderful group! I like the names, too.

I wouldn’t worry too much about Clover deciding to skip one meal. Sometimes they just do that, and we never figure out why. It might have been the different scent from the new provider. It might be she’s going into shed even though you can’t see it yet. It might have been that the meal was a bit bigger than she felt comfortable with, even though it was the “same” size group (weanling or fuzzy or adult or whatever).

I get it, you love them and can’t help the worry. It’s a lot easier for me to tell you not to worry than to take my own advice when one of mine does that. But odds are great that she’s fine and will eat next time.

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Thank you for the reassurance. I always get a bit more concerned when the younger/smaller ones miss a meal. We just can’t help but worry. :slight_smile:

And I’m glad you like the names! Names are super important to me, and as a child, I insisted on naming every animal I met. My first full sentence was, “Let’s give ‘em a name!” and I do like a theme. I love your Arthurian and Strawberry Cultivar themes as well. I’m looking forward to choosing names for clutches, hopefully next year!

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I relate to and ditto this! :laughing:

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