Question about Spotnose and Chocolate

[wreckroomsnakes]

@armiyana

But you still suggested using powerball instead of super spotnose yourself. Lol.

Got it suggesting a commonly used and known name for the super form is “ changing” it

[inspirationexotics]

I’m going to be honest - if people don’t know what heterozygous and homozygous mean, they don’t have enough genetics knowledge to be breeding, and if they’re just keeping, it’s super easy to explain in less than 10 seconds. Heterozygous vs homozygous is basic genetics 101 that everyone learns in high school bio, so it’s not like it’s advanced genetics knowledge. I personally have no issue whatsoever using heterozygous and homozygous given that those are the correct, most accurate genetic terms (doubt most people would be confused). Ultimately here in this forum if that’s used as a distinction, it should be no issue. No one is running around saying we should start saying het before every incomplete dominant gene. It just can be used as a distinction, and we all very much knew what phantom was saying, which is all that matters.

[phantom_hatchery]

@wreckroomsnakes

Right here is the key! People who are new to the hobby and who do not have more advanced genetics than that of high school level will be confused by this.

To be fair a lot of things could confuse those people. Incomplete-dominance and allelic combos for example. Heck, a lot of breeders now don’t understand the difference between simple dominance and homozygous. People new to any community are going to be confused by something.

@wreckroomsnakes

why are people always trying to change the name of things in this hobby…

I only use ‘het’ (or hom) for inc-doms (or recessives) when I want to be very specific and there might be confusion. In this case, I wanted to stress that I meant het spotnose and not super spotnose (When it comes to the wobble, I’ve seen people refer to it broadly as spotnose even if they mean super spotnose). I might use it for morphs like paint where some people do still treat it like inc-dom. So what may be paint to them, others consider het paint. Het daddy vs super/hom daddy is another example. I’m not trying to change how things are done, just trying to be as clear as possible.

[armiyana]

@wreckroomsnakes

commonly used and known name for the super

I don’t currently own a spotnose morph and was unaware that was the nickname for the super until it was mentioned in this thread. Just because it’s common doesn’t mean everyone uses it or knows it.

Which is why I said as much above regarding “white walker” being confusing and so on that you replied to. =p

[exactlyexotics]

@wreckroomsnakes

So if we are now using “het” for single genes to differentiate from the super forms what term are using for the non visual forms of recessive traits now . Because obviously we can no longer use “ het” for that and het for single gene mutations

I understand what you’re saying but we could use het for both heterozygous forms of an incomplete dominant morph or a recessive one. It doesn’t matter if it’s a visual or not, one copy of normal and one copy of a given morph on a loci is heterozygous either way. That’s without getting into the fact that a chocolate spotnose is a heterozygous animal. Having said that, what it would take to change everything would be for us all to agree to call a super pastel a pastel and what we call a pastel now a het pastel. Not likely given the 20+ years we’ve all agreed on what we call a pastel.

[armiyana]

Exactly this by exactly exotics.