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Species

Ball Python

Name of Gene

Iconic

Inheritence type

Incomplete Dominant

In complex with other genes?

Mahogany, Nyala, Black Pastel, Cinnamon

Other names/aliases

None

Appearance - Head

In the base form, the head has distinct blushing starting infront of the eyes to the back of the head.
Eye stripes are narrow compared to normal.

The super form has n pure black head with white around the heat pits.

Appearance - Body

On the base form the body appears significantly darker compared to normal.

On the Base form the back stripe is prominent, and broken into segments. It is also characterized with bubbles interrupting the back stripe.

The alien heads are characterised by some being separated from the belly, creating a balloon/bubble effect. The alien heads are relatively clean creating a crisp contrast on the dark back ground.

Slight pixelation forms at the bottom of the alien heads and the key holes are extremely variable.

Blushing is present between the alien heads.

The Super form is a black snake with a bronze coloured back stripe.

Appearance - Belly

On the base form the belly is white with black edges separating the alien heads from the belly.

The Super form has a clear withe belly.

Appearance - Tail

On the base the tail has a prominent back stripe and stark black back ground with variable alien heads.

The Super form has a black tail with n bronze coloured back stripe.

Proven lines

This is the only known line of this gene

Related genes

To date, nothing has been proven to be related to this gene.

Proven

Year 1 (2022): Starting from a single adult male, I produced a simple combination of this gene combined with a Bel complex gene. The result was significant and different from any other 2 gene combo in existence.

Year 2 (2024): I created more simple 2 gene combos with yellowbelly, and banana, and pastel. Visually the are different from any other 2 gene combos with yellowbelly, and banana, and pastel.

Year 3(2025): I produced the Super form of the gene which is a black snake with a bronze back stripe.

Unique

To answer this we need to look at 4 factors, pattern, colour, and visual appearance.

This is a pattern disrupting gene and a dark morph. In all the combos produced with existing genes (mojave, yellowbelly, pastel, banana), to date, there is a clear pattern difference compared to the the single gene versions. There is also a clear pattern difference compared to similar 2 gene combos involving chocolate, mahogany, stranger and wookie.

A deeper saturation of colour is present in the existing combos of this new morph proving it is inherently a dark morph by nature.

Visually this gene has a similar appearance to Chocolate, Stranger, and Wookie. But the proven black super form proves that it is not related to any of them.

The homozygous form of this gene appears similar to super Mahogany, super copper, and super cinder, however the single gene base morph differs significantly in appearance.

Problems

None

History

The Origins of this gene starts in West Africa where it was originally imported to South Africa by Rassie from BPM reptiles.

I, acquired the gene from Rassie in 2021 to work the project and prove the genetics.

Disagreement or controversy

Based on the evidence there is no disputes or disagreements.
Visual apearance:
Visually this morph appears similar to chocolate, stranger, and wookie. However the homozygous form proves it is not related.

The homozygous form appears similar to Super Mahogany and Super Copper, and super Cinder but the single gene base looks significantly different in appearance.

Rassie (the founder of Nyala), has confirmed that this gene is different from Nyala.

References

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Linking this here.
I believe this already exists as Outback Reptile 's Cinder gene.

I value your feedback. I have done some research on Cinder and although the Homozygous virsion appears similar, in my humble opinion I believe the hetrozygous version appears significantly different.

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Polymorphic genes can easily make that difference.
Butter and Lesser were significantly different back in the early days on the gene. Now we know they’re the same gene and the outcrossing over the years have changed them.

Outback has been working with the gene since 2008. That’s a lot of time for out crossings and such.
I’m definitely tagging @t_h_wyman for thoughts.

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Excellent, his input will be of great value.
For me, comparing the photo evidence of Cinder and my gene, I can clearly that Cinder has a very pronounced white edge around the alien heads compared to mine. The back stripe of Cinder appears to be extremely segmented and broken up compared to mine. Cinder’s eye stripe behind the eye is broader and the blushing on the head is more subtle. The over-all colour of my gene is cleaner in apearance than Cinder. It would be interesting to compare shed tests on the 2 genes.

I agree with you on polymorphism, but I also saw a recent debate on rare genetics yt channel where shed testing showed that lesser and butter is not exactly the same gene. But I see your point of view.

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There is identical butter and lesser. The ‘butter’ that is a different gene (the original butter basically) is very rare and has only been identified recently as a different mutation. A vast majority of the butters for sale are the same as lesser

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Longer than that actually

As very correctly noted, this looks to very probably be an identical allele of an existing morph. As such, first and foremost, my recommendation would be to send a shed in to RGI to confirm/deny that. There is no point in re-renaming a morph, all that does is add confusion to the already morph schema in the hobby

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