Welcome to the community and congratulations on acquiring your 1st ball python. People on this forum are extremely helpful and go out of there way to answer questions. At 1st I thought your post did not go along with this thread……but it does! If people have bad experiences within the community, they may be less likely to participate, and they may be less likely to be a happy successful owner. I hope your experience here is a positive one!
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Dont ever be afraid to ask questions. That is the whole point in having a forum in the first place so that we can learn and share with each other. The people that want to tear you down for asking questions are obviously unhappy and never had a true love or passion for the hobby to begin with. Welcome to the community and congrats on your first snake.
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I’m not saying everybody is like that. There are some very good people out there. Mostly because they don’t become part of any groups. At least I have their e-mails to ask them their advice on stuff. But I have quit a ton of groups because they either don’t even come close to even trying to answer my question. Or instead of answering somebody else’s question, they’d rather belittle them to death, and have everybody jump on the bandwagon, and do it to. I think it has come to the point to where most of the experienced people have totally forgot about the fact that they were once new too, and made mistakes. They act like they woke up one day and knew everything. And they make it their goal to belittle everyone they can.
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This is exactly what I was talking about. I was on one of those forums for a while, but every time anyone asked a question the same 3 or 4 experienced breeders, who were also moderators for the site would ridicule.
It’s really not much different at the reptile shows around here either. When I was first “gifted” a BP about 18 months ago, I knew nothing and had to learn quick…I thought that going to a reptile show and asking questions would be helpful (It’s hard to ask a Youtube video questions). After my first show I was ready to give up, but luckily I hung in there and now I’m absolutely in love with them (and feel like I am doing a bang-up job with their husbandry - all very happy, healthy, growing and eating like champs!)
I am definitely in this for the animals and I feel that everytime I walk into that room and look at them. So much more awesome than most humans I know!
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This is a split from the original conversation regarding market saturation, since the previous thread went way of topic I created this one.
If you wish to participate to the market saturation thread please click here Over saturation in the BP market?
Thank you and please stay on topic.
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they may even tell you to kill yourself…
it’s crazy how that is so true…
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Yeah absolutely never be afraid to ask questions here. My wife and I started breeding about three years ago, and everyone we asked questions to in person just spouted off how much they knew about the business without answering. Everyone we asked online just ridiculed and talked down to us saying we were doing everything wrong.
The end game is really just to have healthy and happy snakes, no matter what set up, food, or husbandry you use. As long as you have healthy animals who aren’t stressed there shouldn’t be an issue.
I definitely don’t do it for the money(although the return is nice when you break a profit) and consider myself a hobbiest, but when the “pro breeders” hear you call yourself a hobbiest they automatically talk down to you and assume you have no idea what you’re doing. It’s obnoxious but there’s never any harm in asking questions. It’s how we learn, and the good advice we get from helpful people is well worth the crappy remarks we have to sift through with the jerks.
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I got banned from that site, so i came over here, guess who the moderators over here are?? Thats right. I already had an issue too. Have to kiss their butts or you cant use the internet anymore it seems.
I haven’t found much good information on any of the forums so I don’t worry too much about it. At least any good info anyone can agree on.
I got banned from that site, so i came over here, guess who the moderators over here are?? Thats right. I already had an issue too. Have to kiss their butts or you cant use the internet anymore it seems.
You know you are pushing it now, so let’s be honest about your ban
You were impatient expected answers
to your question within 4 hours in the middle of the night were told patience goes a long way and you just lost it.
Than you wanted your account deleted
Originally Posted by MaxT815
can you please direct me how to delete my account? This forum is a piece of
that request was followed with disrespect to the staff and insulting PM to another member which lead to a temporary ban of 30 days but you decided to create 4 multiple accounts to keep insulting said member and make false reports which ultimately lead to a permanent ban. You were given multiple chances, take a lot to get banned but you brought it on yourself.
So please let’s not play the victim here.
Disrespect to the staff and or other members is not something that is tolerated on any forum this is not facebook.
So much for moving on and having a fresh start and becoming a positive contributor of this forum.
The ball is in your camp.
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^^This^^. I don’t have time for drama and negativity in my life. I love my snakes, but the “community”? Not so much.
Don’t ever be afraid to ask a question?
That’s what most of these groups and forums are attempting to instill into the noobies. Is to be afraid to ask questions. While I haven’t seen it yet, in this one. And, I do mean, yet. When a noob asks a question, only to be ridiculed and belittled by 75% of the members, that’s going to make them not say much anymore, if not leave entirely.
I understand what you’re saying. But the truth is no matter how long someone has been in this hobby they are still learning and at one time were new as well. And if they truely loved the hobby then they wouldn’t tear people down for being new and asking questions. And I also think if this hobby is something you really enjoy then you shouldn’t let a few keyboard warriors ruin it for you. There are negative people everywhere but for the most part I think this is a good community. Most people here are willing to help and answer questions from what I’ve seen .
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Well said Greg. If you are here and part of the community be a positive member. Learn as much as possible and share what you’ve learned with the new people that will be joining for years to come, do not provide the same negativity that you may or may not have received. Do not let anyone’s negative comments stop you from wanting to be a part of the community, as I’ve said before there’s some great people here that are willing to help. Enjoy the hobby, community, and most of all these amazing animals!
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I deleted Facebook because of the same issues. All I ever really did on there was utilize BP groups, and 90% of EVERYONE in those groups was a know-it-all a-hole.
Sad that people feel the need to belittle people into having no interest in the hobby anymore.
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I come from the pre-faceook, pre-youtube era when all reptile discussion was done within a few key online forums. Back then forums wouldn’t do well if it wasn’t populated by experienced/helpful individuals and moderated with competence. Now we have an abundance of facebook groups that become popular regardless of competent leadership and moderation. They are often not a positive place to learn and share ideas. Morph market completely refined the entire online reptile selling/buying process and created this great place to interact with excellent moderation. There are still great forums out there, like bp.net, but most don’t seem to be very active. Hopefully we will see a shift of people frustrated with the way facebook groups are run to places like this and a return “back to the old days” where we can help people and share ideas respectfully.
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I’m really sorry to hear about that, I really mean that. Those kinds of people arent worth your time and they dont add anything good to this community. People like @stewart_reptiles and @john are extremely friendly and knowledgeable and will gladly answer you anytime and they are the people I like associating myself with on this forum. My experience on this forum has been nothing but amazing and I hope you experience the same thing!
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If you read back to some of the post, the moderators seem to be a problem. I don’t post much on the forums, but the few times I have it was the same 3 replies by the same 3 moderators. The worse part was the information they gave me wasn’t even the information I asked for. They seem to be the know-it-alls around here.
Obviously, this is a throw-away account - I really with I would have done the same at the bp dot net forum.
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I don’t know about friendly. I asked a question about UK vivarium manufacturers and got red flagged for being off topic…
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I have to say, I’ve had trolls and know-it-alls trying to bring me down on occasion when I’ve asked for help, and frequently just been outright ignored, on fb and forums alike. I remember one well established local breeder insisting to me when I was pretty new that you can’t get a visual recessive from pairing two hets (for the same recessive gene), and talking to me like I was an idiot. Luckily my knowledge of genetics was good enough so I knew not to listen. But when I was starting my pairings during my first year I reached out to a few pros by email and Facebook (pretty well known people in the hobby) to ask for some guidance, and they were kind enough to take the time to give me friendly advice and encouragement. I’m far from a long-time breeder and still have a lot to learn and a long way to go, but I have made it as far as I have thanks in part to those kind people who see this hobby for what it really is: something to be passionate about and share with like-minded people.
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