Advice regarding potential gravid female

A lot of pink! Nice clutch. :slight_smile:

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It certainly is “Snowing” at your house! Genetically these are all homozygous Amel, so you’re getting what you thought. They have just also added in homozygous Anery.

I’m not totally sure what you’re asking, but I’ll try answer what I think you’re asking. You’ve definitely got Tessera Motley babies. That means your one of your snakes is absolutely carrying het Motley, and the other is either het Motley or het Stripe. There’s no way to know visually is an animal is homozygous Motley or Motley-Stripe. You’d have to know the parents genetics to be sure. You’re right, it’s confusing.

Yes, this pair could produce visual Motley babies. I don’t see any obvious non-Tessera Motleys. The one being weighed who is 6.3 g has a few connected saddles, but normally patterned animals can show this. I call those “Notleys.” :laughing: You can tell if it’s a Motley by looking at the belly since non-Tessera Motley has no checkers. (Tessera affects the belly pattern too, and this isn’t always true for Tessera Motley.)

Hope that helps.

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Thank you all advice you’ve given is very helpful and very much appreciated

We’ve unfortunately had 3 babies so far not make it the moldy baby that pipped was tiny just 1.2g and had a deformed head 2 more had severe kinks one was kinked into a ball and died in the egg :worried:

Them we have 23 out 1 with a hernia that iv put in a baby tub with just wet kitchen roll

And 6 more left in there eggs 3 have noses out all reacted when I checked them

Pic in my hand was the current biggest at 6.4g and the tiny baby that is 3.2g considering the tiny ones half the weight they dont look massively different

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Thank you we’ve ended up with alot of snows and there all so beautiful pity I cant keep any id love one of the amel tessera but no space for another 4×2×2

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I’m sorry about the ones who didn’t make it. That’s a sadness, though it’s unfortunately a regular part of breeding. I tell myself that’s why corns lay so many eggs, and it’s true. I still feel every loss.

The baby with the protrusion appears to have an attached yolk stalk. It’s kind of hard to tell in the image but if so, that has a much better prognosis than a hernia would. You’re doing the right thing by keeping it damp. When I’ve dealt with this I put the baby in a deli with a very, very shallow amount of sterile water. Just enough to cover the bottom is plenty. You don’t want the baby to swim. I also give them something to hold onto a bit for their security. A bit of damp paper towel in part of the deli is fine. I change the water at least every 12 hours. Every 6 hours is better. The yolk stalk will drop off after about a day, usually. Then you can move the baby to a dry container.

If the little one has an actual hernia that size, it would require surgery. Hopefully it’s simply ayolk stalk.

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Congratulations and condolences, @crystalsangel08. @caryl is right both about genetics and also the fact that we feel every loss. It’s so hard to wonder if we could’ve done something different or better that would have changed outcomes, but I think, all things considered, we’re hatching more healthy eggs than whatever happens in randomized nature.

I’m loving all your little snows and amels, and yes, I think you have good reason to hope the butter-looking ones are in fact butters. Waiting until first shed will help confirm.

Enjoy these little noodles while they’re so little. They grow fast!

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It was gone this morning found it on the paper towel so guessing it was what you said and stork rather than hernia

We lost another 2 babies this morning one that was responding yesterday but no movement today so I cut it out the egg and it had passed

Unfortunately it seemed nothing was wrong with it so im super sad about that

The other was extremely pale and hardley moving so I pulled it part way out the egg and about 2cm from its head its belly was totally concaved it passed shortly after

But we have 27 out of 35 healthy looking babies so im over the moon with that

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Thank you im super happy we have 27 healthy lively babies out of 32 good eggs

I really hope they are butters i never got to see mum as a baby she was already 62g when I got her

If they are butters does that mean some of the snows could be xanthic?

We seem to have alot more snows that the other morphs

1 amel motley tessera ,2 amel,2 amel tessera

4 snow motley tessera, 5 snows,5 snow tessera

And is they are butter 3 butter motley tessera and 5 butter tessera

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Pics of the 27 babies and the morphs i think they are

Smallest was 3.2g biggest 6.5g most are high 5 to low 6g

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I’m sorry about the ones who didn’t make it. It’s wonderful that you have 27 healthy babies! That is a bigger number than most people usually get from their clutches, including me. It’s truly grand.

Butter neonates are lighter than some might think. The bright yellows come later. And yes, it’s likely that some of the Snows are Xanthic Snows. A practiced eye can usually distinguish those, especially after a couple of sheds - but not always.

What a cute bunch! I’ll see what I think on morphs.

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All righty, I played “guess the morph” while only looking at the images, not at your list. Wanted to keep my eyes fresh, so to speak. Here’s what I think I see:

  1. Snow Motley Tessera. This one looks extra pink, but that may just be lighting.
  2. Amel Tessera
  3. Snow Motley Tessera
  4. Snow Tessera
  5. Butter Tessera
  6. Butter Motley Tessera
  7. Amel Motley Tessera
  8. Amel Tessera
  9. Snow Tessera
  10. Butter Tessera
  11. Snow Motley Tessera
  12. Snow Tessera
  13. Butter Tessera
  14. Butter Tessera. Might be Motley, but I couldn’t see its sides very well.
  15. Snow, almost surely Xanthic Snow. See its yellow nose?
  16. Snow Motley Tessera
  17. Snow. Also seems possibly extra pink.
  18. Snow, possibly Xanthic.
  19. Snow
  20. Amel
  21. Amel
  22. Butter Motley Tessera
  23. Snow
  24. Butter Tessera
  25. Snow Motley Tessera, possibly Xanthic.
  26. Amel or Butter Tessera. Gonna need a shed or a pic in different light for this one.
  27. Snow Tessera

These might need some revision after they shed. They can change in sometimes surprising ways. They really are a lovely group. :heart_eyes:

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Great group!!! Congratulations on 27 healthy babies. It’s exciting to think that some snows could be xanthic.

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I agree with all of these IDs except possibly #2 could be a butter tessera instead of amel tessera. Pics after first shed will help for sure.

I love all the Xanthic IDs. Very good education for us to observe.

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Agreed. #2 is possibly a Butter Tessera. Hard to tell from photos sometimes, let alone before they’ve shed.

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Thank you iv over the moon and its made me want to bereed my hognoses again :rofl:

But that might change depending on how well these babies take food lol

They will be due to shed between 28th and 3rd so not sure if any will be offered food before we go on holiday

When after shed should I offer? On that day or day after :thinking:

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Thank you so much for this will get updated pictures in same lighting once everyone’s shed :grinning_face:

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Really is unfortunately seems thats one of those morphs that needs a better trained eye than mine hopfully by time there ready to go to there new homes il be able to identify them (well post on here for help :rofl::joy:)

Im so happy with them

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Number 2 is alot more red in person

This is her with the first group of hatchlings

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Shes alot more red than the ones im hoping are butter i posted pic in last comment of her and the first batch out :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Yes, your judgment counts best because you have real eyes on them in 3D.

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