Here are photos of him in natural light and an eye photo in the sun. Based on what you see from these 2 what are the ones with the red eyes then? Snopals?
Personally, I’m going to disagree that your Tessera is the sire. I’m not trying to be a stickler here, but you contacted the breeder of your female and they said she was unpaired. You, as far as you remember, only paired her with one male and it wasn’t that one. He doesn’t look visual Lavender to me, and you said he’s proven and never produced any animal that is visual amel. So he’d have to be a visual Lavender and a surprise het Amel that has never expressed before and that is just…Idk the odds seem long on that one. Only my opinion, tho.
Wondering if @t_h_wyman might have any insight here, if he has time, though I know this week is going to possibly be quite busy for him.
I don’t think that male can be the sire either. He would have to be het lavender (he’s certainly not homozygous lavender) and you would have had to hit incredibly good odds for all the babies to have come out lavender. Was the previous owner the only owner of your female?
They didn’t breed her but had had her since she was little. She is a 2021, so very doubtful of any prior breding.
He has time today, but will likely be pretty scarce starting tomorrow LOL
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Unfortunately, I am not that good with corn morphs.
Fortunately, I know some really good people that are. I will tag @pcexotics in the hopes he gets a notification but tonight when I get home I will ping him directly and a couple others as well
Did they cohab her at any point? Just trying to rule out any possibilities of another male being the father.
I dunno, maybe it’s my screen. Looking at the Tessera male I see possible visual Lavender. Do you know his parentage? His eyes appear dark, but lighting can do that and not necessarily rule out Lavender. I am attaching a photo of my Moonstone (Anery Lavender) Masque in which his eyes appear equally dark. With the right angle, his ruby pupils show. It seems that a dual-sired clutch is possible. The female may have spent a crucial few minutes with a male, this season or even last year. I bred a female in 2021. She didn’t lay until 2022, when she wasn’t bred at all. Maybe the female and a male were in a bin together because someone needed to do a quick clean, or something was spilled, or who knows. Mating can happen very quickly. Perhaps no one noticed.
Whatever the case, your babies are bewitching, @dream-scales .
If the sire is for sure visual Lavender, yes they’re Snopals. Otherwise they would be Snows.
The tessera male does have very dark eyes, almost black. The photo above was taken in full sunlight so hopinh a lavendereye would show. He’s been passed to at least 3 breeder so any hets i think have been lost to anyone’s knowlege so I can’t rule out lavender but I would think if he was lavender it would be something somone would have remembered. That being said he is odd colored too. ( i just have the luck of getting the mystery morphs!) They thing trowing me is he has never thrown a amel anythinh bit now there are definitely some showing up. Ehere the lavender male has such red eyes ive always wondered if he could have ultra in there.
Bottom line i just don’t want to misrepresent what the babies are to anyone hence trying to figure this all out.
If the genetic testing was offered yet I would just get them tested and know for sure! Lol won’t it be nice when that is going?
I think all of us are very impatiently waiting for that ability, tbh! I know I am, especially with cases like yours, or other morphs that are hard to identify in hatchlings before they mature. I’ve got a clutch of snakes where Het Palmetto is a possibility and trying to figure those out visually is a crapshoot.
See, this just adds weight in my mind that the Tessera male is homo Lavender along with his other traits. I have had a few with eyes fitting that description. Every one is a visual Lavender. None of my Ghosts, whatever other combo they’ve had, have such dark eyes. Here’s a Strawberry Lavender Diffused Motley youngster. She’s got those eyes.
Not necessarily. Unless he was bred to any Lavenders in the past, it could easily be missed.
Kudos to you for this, @dream-scales! That’s the most important part.
To add to this mystery from last year and the stripy looking babies. I do think that the female is het to motley and this was causing the stripes last year. He was bred this year to a Peach Lavender Masque Hypo het diffused & Amel and apparently also motley as these are the babies we got this year.
Very pretty babies! Congratulations on a lovely clutch!
To answer you “at what point do you can it a Pinstripe” question, Pinstripe Motley is one of those things that’s kind of a sliding scale. It’s somewhat in the eye of the beholder. Genetically there’s no distinguishing between the Motley phenotypes. Pinstripe is one presentation. I would call your stripey sorts Pinstripes.
Nice when an unexpected het lines up like that! I would call any that are 50% or more striped pinstripes. Ones with smaller amounts of striping you could label as partial pinstripes. Or ignore that label entirely and just call them motleys since the pics will speak for themselves. I think it’s up to the individual breeder how they want to label them, but that’s the rule I would probably follow for myself.
Thank you for that explanation, I was thinking that was the case.