Hello! First time using these forums… I’m hoping we picked the right place.
On July 5th we hatched a 3rd clutch ever. There was 5 eggs. Mother was our Super Russo. We wanted more luci’s out of her, but unfortunately we lost her boyfriend to anesthesia. And so we just paired whatever to her without thinking about it.
The clutch actually had two fathers, our Banana Pastel Enchi and what was meant to be an Ivory. I say this because somehow the Russo and the Ivory made a blue eye in this clutch, meaning one of these two parents aren’t what they’re supposed to be. Both mom & Ivory were craigslist finds so I can’t say I’m not entirely surprised.
So, we have two very easily identified banana babies, and one blue eyed Luci. but we have two pastel-like females that I cannot identify their heritage, if it’s even possible to tell what they are.
My gut tells me Pastel Yellowbelly. Please help?
Im not too sure about ball python ID but there are many people on here who can help you! And welcome to the community!
I’m here to welcome you to our really cool community, and to congratulate you on a beautiful set of babies! I wish I could help out with IDs but I’m still learning (I’m sure I will always be), so I will echo @shadowspiderjack and say that our knowledgeable and very intelligent and experienced gang will be able to help! I think you’ll really like it here!
Well @critical_combos you have very most definitely come to the right place! I will echo that I am not educated in the school of BP morphs but believe me there are plenty of people here who will respond to you!
Stick around and you’ll see what a wonderful place this is! There are no judgements and no dumb questions!
I am wondering if Enchi is in there from the banana, pastel, enchi also the second almost looks like a pastel, Mojave, Enchi. The first pic especially looks very yb because of the orange flames all over but pastel enchis can also have this. And there is definitely something else in the first one if it is yb, pastel, pattern is too blocky to me for just that 2 gene combo. I can’t really tell by the pic but the father obviously has to have a blue eye luecistic complex. I was thinking Mojave? I could very well be wrong, just my guesses. Very pretty patterns and bright colors, but the flames and blushing is really outstanding! Keep us posted, hopefully more experienced people can give you some definite ideas!
I can certainly see what you mean with Mojave! baby #1 matches a lot of photos I’ve looked up.
Although, it still leaves me stumped… if mom is super Russo, babies would therefore all be Russo; meaning, if baby was Mojave, in theory it would be a luecistic because of Russo in the mix. From what I can tell russo doesn’t influence pattern much, but that might just be my inexperience and maybe that’s what we are looking at in the flaming.
Gorgeous babies for sure!
Because mom is a super russo (assuming that is the correct ID), every baby will have russo. But these look almost more Mojave to me. Maybe mom is actually a Mojave russo.
Are the first 3 photos Mom and the potential 2 dad’s? Or is that the BEL baby and they’re just a bit older now?
Because that looks more bel if it’s supposed to be an ivory… And that would mean every baby should be BEL if that was the case. I could be wrong tho!
Also, if the banana shown IS the father… That would make sense as Mojave tends to keep banana from getting too many spots. And that explains the surprise lucy
You shouldn’t be seeing the headstamp that both have with only pastel yellowbelly.
Have you tried a black light on the Ivory’s body and the baby BEL? Sometimes you can see some pattern glowing through with it.
Remember, mom is a BEL so they all have to have a BEL gene. They’re not just pastel and YB.
OP also said mom and Ivory were both craigslist finds. There could be more at play.
Oh definitely. I even said I don’t think the ivory id looks quite right if he is the one posted above. He’s missing the darker ivory head or yellow tint I’m used to seeing. So unless he is also carrying a BEL gene and IS an ivory, then they could still have YB. I just think it looks doubtful. Every baby would be yellow belly AND russo if the IDs were correct on the ivory, not pastel because the banana had that. (Again unless improperly labeled IDs. All possible and seems to be the case with mom too)
But the banana definitely looks to have a BEL gene. So he explains the enchi, banana and pastel in the babies
I’ve been searching both Russo and Mojave with yellowbelly , pastel and not seeing anything even close.
As @banereptiles said, baby 1 has a lot of blockiness.
Gorgeous noodles none the less though.
@critical_combos can you post photos of the other hatchlings? Especially the BEL. Cause if there is the dark head you have the answer on the mystery BEL genes being Mojave…
With getting the “Ivory” from craigslist , mislabeling
is common. I’m wondering if it could be a super fire. That may explain the headstamp. If that is a picture of the Ivory, like @armiyana said, not seeing the common traits of a super yellowbelly/Ivory.
Both of the babies you posted are Enchi Pastel Russo, without question. The “butterfly” headstamp everyone is so focused on is a key identifier of the Enchi Pastel combo
What was the sex of the BluEL you made? If it is female you may have had an instance of a partial partho clutch
Y’know… it’s entirely possible I posted an older pic of mom twice by mistake
. He Certainly has the black eyes.
We have attempted the black light trick! Mom has a dorsal stripe and I couldn’t really see pattern at all on the ivory. When it’s gets darker tonight I can try posting their black light pics.
He is male without a doubt. He was proud to show them off lol.
Can you post a better pick of the Banana? One where the animal is more stretched out and lets us see dorsal and lateral patterning a bit better?