Arroyo gene Het Rios. Is Rios a recessive gene?

I have a very small arroyo project going on. I’m recently starting to here that it’s actually a recessive gene and not incomplete dominant.Like the paint and sentinel gene. I was wondering if any one on here can confirm this or has heard the same thing.

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Here are some videos dan wolfe did on the arroyo and rio as you probably know he is the originator of the gene and did a series of videos going over arroyo and rio. hope this helps you figure some things out.

this one goes over rio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSubcLxWTGc

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Here is another. he explains it as co dom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tZ7SSc8iG8

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@wreckroomsnakes Thank you very much! I will check these out for sure.

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Arroyo is an inc-dom gene, it is just a bit subtle in some animals and combos

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@t_h_wyman That’s what I always believed as well. But that was also said about paint. I was just curious if anyone else had heard about it being recessive. I still think arroyo is incomplete dominant but was just wanting others opinions. I’m actually glad to hear people saying it is inc dominant lol. Thanks!

Paint (Sentinel/Neo/Nazca) I think may fall into the realm of the ultra-subtle inc-doms - there is a phenotype, but unless you know exactly what you are looking for, it is really easy to miss it.

Arroyo however, at least to my eye, has never been subtle. It has a distinct “harlequin” phenotype. It can be a bit harder to pick out in some combos, but it is still there :+1:t4:

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that should read ultra uber completely not there subtle :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
one scale being a different color or “smudge here” doesn’t make it a trait/marker (which was how someone explained to me they were picking out paints YEARS ago)

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@wreckroomsnakes I love the paint gene but never got into it because I seriously doubt my ability to pick out hatchlings carrying it. It has to be an absolute nightmare lol.

:rofl: Fully agree! That’s why you have to use a visual (super) paint you can not guarantee it carries the gene.

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Totally agree! I try to always use a super on more subtle morphs!

I hear what you are driving at Mary, but at the same time the first SuperNazca came from a “granite” x Enchi “granite” pairing and it turned out that the “granite” was actually Nazca and Jon had been picking those out in its nascent form as a dinker project. So obviously he saw something there to determine it was heritable in the first place.

@t_h_wyman Ok now I’m a little confused lol. What is the nazca gene? It’s on world of ball pythons but has no picture. Is it a line of paint?

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cache2.php?img=http://www.coldbloodedaddiction.com/images/collection/ballpythons/supernazca/final/001.jpg
Nazca was thought to be another line of paint/sentinel that jon courtney produced. But no real work was be done as far as i know to prove it out as being compatible.

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As Mary noted, Nazca was another line of Paint (RDR has/had a line that he called Neo and Mark Haas had a line that he called… Speckle, or something like that I think…)

I think I recall someone somewhere proving Nazca compatible to Paint, wish I could remember where. Limey proved Paint compatible to Sentinel I do remember that

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