BEL or Super Fire?

Hey everyone! I had one more question before making a final purchase, and I just can’t make up my mind. What do you guys prefer? I heard that Lesser x Mojave make pure white BPs, but I’ve seen non splotchy Super Fires that come out even more white whereas even Lesser x Mojaves can yellow out as they age. Let me know what you think!

If you are truly looking for a white snake that stays white, your best bet is a Super Russo or White Diamond. They are the same morph, just like a Super Yellowbelly and an Ivory are the same thing. Look up on MM and look at both babies and adults. You will have to look at Sold animals to find a number of adults.

All-white BlkEL complex animals are the whitest ones you will get. After that, the all-white Pieds would fill the role.

BluELs, regardless of the combination, will develop a degree of yellow undertone and a visible dorsal stripe.

Some photographic comparisons to illustrate



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Thank you so much! By BlkEL you mean black eyed leucistic right? So Super Fire? Thank you so much for those pictures! I’m assuming they’re all super fires?

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It wouldn’t be a comparison if they were all super fires. The first one is a BEL then a pied and a super fire. I think in that order?

Honestly, I think your best bet would be a white wedding/spider pied if you want the absolute whitest you can get with less risk of yellowing with age. The white on my 95% white pied is brighter than my BEL (unknown genes I think mojave Lesser) but slightly more of a pink undertone.
With super fires, you can also end up with yellow blotches down the back. Most of this yellowing is obvious after the hatchling has had a handful of sheds or is very obvious in the brighter ones. Just browse through the listings for super fires on the sales and you’ll see what I mean.

Sorry, they just never specified so I couldn’t tell what is what and they looked very similar with the last looking the best imo. I just thought they were different variations.

And I just bought a pure white super fire, so I made up my mind already, but that’s good to know. I wouldn’t get a spider pied anyway because I don’t like the spider gene and wouldn’t want to support it. But thanks!

Congrats on your new snake! I’m glad you were able to find an all white one! :smiley:

Thanks so much. :slight_smile: He’s my first ball python and pet only, so I’m a bit nervous.

No problem! And I’m sure you’ll do just fine with him, but this is a very wonderful forum with lots of helpful people, so don’t be afraid to ask questions if you need to. <3

You’re gonna love him, Black Eyed Lucys are super cute. (I might be slightly biased though!)

That amuses me a little bit actually. In the end the amount of white almost didn’t matter after all since you assumed they were all super fire.

I’m glad you found a snake that you’re happy with! Regardless of genes, sometimes it’s just you see one and you know. That was how I fell for my 2 of my favorite girls.

I guess so. The far right is my favorite, but I had no idea what it was hahah. In the end I don’t mind shade much, they all look white to me. I was just more curious about yellowing pattern i suppose if that makes sense :’)

And yes, thats very true. Thanks so much!

He’s very cute!

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Thank you. :slight_smile:

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SuperFire, SuperSauce, SuperLemonback, SuperDesertlemon, SuperMota… There are a bunch. And other genes in the mix can help reduce the likelihood on yellow blotching in some of the lines that are prone to it
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In the pic with the three you have, left to right; Hypo Lesser/Mojave, SuperFire (possible Pastel, possible SuperPastel, possible, possible YB), Ivory Butter OD Pastel

In the pics of just the two animals it is the SuperFire and the Ivory

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