I was planning for a while to integrate black night into my collection, so what I was targeting for now will be a bn tangerine cross. What male would be the most optimal here in terms of genetics? My end goal is solid black color, a hint of orange would also be fine, which might look like this.
This will be my female, she is a Tangerine Double Poss Het Albino Tremper, Eclipse
While these are the male candidates that I am eyeing to buy.
With an info of Black Night Line Het Tremper Double Poss Het Eclipse Blizzard
The pairing is Black Night Cross Bandit Line het tremper Double Poss Het Eclipse Blizzard x HTCT 66% Het tremper Poss Het Eclipse. The picture of the parents of this specific gecko is these below.
Then a Snow Black Night Het Blizzard Poss Het RAPTOR, with a pairing of Black Night Clown x Snow Black Night Blizzard Het RAPTOR
And lastly, a Black Night Cross Het Blizzard Poss Het RAPTOR, with a pairing of Black Night Blizzard Het RAPTOR x Black Night Line Het Tremper Double Poss Het Eclipse Blizzard.
The picture of the parents of this specific gecko is these below.
I can’t help with the pairing, but you have some absolutely stunning geckos!
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The problem here is you’re just most likely going to end up with worse looking offspring that you will be spending more time and energy crossing back again.
Tangerine and Black Night are polygenic, so you’re just going to further dilute the work already done. You would want to breed the absolute darkest black night you can to the deepest orange you can.
Starting this way it will take quite a few breedings and years to get back to that dark color you’re looking for. Just from the pairings you posted for the potential males, you can see how much difference there is in the diluted offspring.
Line breeding is very different from breeding co-doms inc-doms or recessives. You may want to start a small black night project and try to increase the blacks back up to get some experience since good tangerines are easier to find. Just learning how to pick the best offspring to cross back can take a while.
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Thanks for the response, unfortunately I already have bought the first one, just waiting for it to get shipped, as it was being sold for a limited time. I understand it’s gonna be a couple more years before I’m gonna see some results. I would also like to note that when I bought the female, she was said to have produced really nice melanistic babies, I unfortunately cannot find the pictures anymore, she was almost a holdback but was sold to me as he needed some money. And can I ask in regards on how much can the “1st generation/grandparents” black night intensity affect the “3rd generation/offspring’s” coloration?
1st gen
2nd gen
New blood
You can never tell.
You may get a few dark offspring, but the more you’re diluting it without adding a darker gecko back in the less likely it will be. It’s not a process that you can track perfectly. The only reason people will used % might be to track how diluted the bloodline is, but that’s very uncommon. And more often used when tracking localities.
It’s just luck based and raising up holdbacks because you may not even know how the color development will go.
You could get lucky, sure.
But this is the 3rd post that you’re jumping on an animal for a good price without really thinking about what work is really needed in the project. Or asking for advice when the animal is already purchased not long after
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This is noted, Thank you for the response, I apologize on how persistent am I in regards to these type of things. I’ll mind these things in the future. Thank you for your advice.
