Captain's log

Day 64… There appear to be no signs of life inside this incubator… Scissors remain in the emergency first-aid kit…
Day 64


Exactly where they belong lol


Lol. They look perfectly dimpled for a day 66 pip.


What was the pairing?


Those eggs look fine to me. :man_shrugging:

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Historically, this girl’s clutches have tended to pip on day 67.

That said, my incubator was running a bit hotter this month so you might end up being right


I was being a smart aleck :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:


And her trend continues

Fairly certain this one is Asphalt Butter Enchi OD Pastel. Could be Specter instead of Asphalt, but the patterning does not look quite right for that


Four of five out. Last one was peeking his head this morning so will likely be out by tomorrow, latest

So far it looks like I have:
Asphalt Butter Enchi OD Pastel
Butter Enchi OD Asphalt or Specter (guess based on the head of the one still in egg)
Freeway Pastel
SuperStripe Enchi OD Pastel
Freeway Butter Enchi OD Pastel


Congrats! Good looking fat babies there. Always a relief to get those snoots out.

Interesting information in this discussion, also what software did you use for such detailed temperature MaX MiN information?

Why? so many people love cutting, I don’t but why such a strong opinion and so adverse to it?
Personally I would only cut if all had piped except one or two a few days later in case the egg tooth fall off .

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With cutting I think the only benefits are if there’s a problem (entangled baby, no egg tooth, thick shell, which are all very rare) and you get to see the results sooner (which I don’t think is an reason to force them out of the egg early).
Without cutting you are letting nature take its course (which has worked for millions of years) and each baby can do its own thing (some hatch early and some hatch late).
I think that the tiny chance that there is a problem isn’t worth cutting, forcing them out of the egg, and ending their development early. I especially don’t like when the entire top of the egg is just cut off. If cutting is necessary cut a small slit in it, so the babies can get out. Taking the entire top off just forces them out even more and the only benefit is so you don’t have to wait a couple days to see them.


I use SensorPush, specifically the HT.w unit.

I have heard good things about Govee as well but I chose SP because it is waterproof and my incubator is basically a heated pool so…

There is a difference between cutting and “manually pipping”. The vast majority of people will use the excuse you cite as a valid reason to chainsaw open their eggs. If you go through threads here you will also notice that it is painfully obvious that most people, even under the guise of that excuse, are just being impatient because they are cutting the entire blasted clutch open on day 53 or 56 or 58 because “all eggs are supposed to hatch no later than day 60, that is what the interwebs told me!”. If it was really about manually pipping, then all those threads would show all the babies out and just a single egg with a tiny slit in it (like the size of the slit in the right centre egg in my second post here) and no identification of the animal inside the egg
Final results


Super nice clutch Travis!

This :point_up:!!!


Agreed. I would never cut a large hole just to see whats inside or based on expected days.
Temperatures are varied even looking at your high tec stats. They are ready when they are ready.
I would also not ever make a large hole which may disturbed and distress the hatchling too much and remove security just so I can see what morphs I have through impatience.
I would however make a tiny slit just large enough for the snake to pop its head out If one was a good few days after the last one of the clutch piping.
As an example, with my first clutch of ball pythons, some piped up to 5 days after the others. Natural or due to a minor thermal gradient, i still left them and they all piped naturally.
Any longer and I would have made a tiny slit.
I would however candle first to ensure I did not cut veines.
Is that too fast?
Edit: after the first like so that may not stand… if its entangled in the umbilical or not developed, in my experience manually piping wont help, its mainly just loosing the egg tooth too soon that a slit will help with in my humble opinion.
Anyone please feel free to put me right.

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To be fair, I run a on/off cycle on the heat in my incubator so temp swings on mine are likely more pronounced than most others see

I was not calling you out specifically :+1:t4:


Just curious, how many documented cases of this do you actually know about from a first-hand source (e.g., not from random dude posting on FB about this one time his cousin’s best friend’s niece’s girlfriend’s dad heard about one time at a reptile show)?

Main reason I am asking is because in my experience, talking with a score of long-time breeders, the reality of this happening is exceedingly low and, once again, it is being used as just a convenient excuse to justify cutting


I haven’t found any reliable documented stats about that. But from my previous 1000s of hatchlings anecdotal experience, I only noticed a lack of egg tooth a few times, Mostly the non pipers that I previously slit were not fully/properly developed, deformed, dead or had umbilical strangulation and would most likely not have survived even if they were still alive at that point. That was rare too but easily the most common reasons for not piping in my anecdotal experience.
That’s why i wait well after the last pip to slit.

I was just asking because I am willing to learn and adjust my practices to best practice. But I also get we must consider clarifying best practice for readers and also ensure comments cant be twisted against the hobby by those that would do it harm.

I am in the same camp as you on cutting.

All shed out, now to get them eating

Group shot

And individuals


Oh wow, they’re all stunning! I especially love the first one and the fourth one, but they’re all really, really gorgeous. :heart_eyes: Congrats on a beautiful clutch!

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