I haven’t specifically picked up any definitive queues for DG that I can call out.
With Clown, the hets have a lot of white bordering on the alien heads over non-hets, and the colors of the codom genes pop more.
With Hypo, the heads tend to be more blushed and there can be a little more reduction/cleaner look in the Alien heads and sometimes a little brightening.
DG is a different animal. In fact, I often think het DGs look dulled compared to their non-het counterparts. I have an OD double het DG / Pied male that looks meh, even for OD. But when it goes visual for DG then the OD will burst. I also have a Pastel double het for DG / Clown, that isn’t as impressive as a straight Pastel het Clown would look in coloration.
I am not saying your animals are, or are not, het for DG. I’m saying I can’t spot the tell yet for DG, like I can other recessives, so I make no call on that. Please follow up once you have done the shed test. I am very curious to see how this plays out.
If the first one pictured is the father, he’s not clown…
And he’s not het for DG and hypo, he’s visual.
So that’s also very different from what you said originally.
It just sounds like you need shed testing for what the breeder told you.
Here’s the ad for the possible dad #1, he’s listed for sale. The seller Indicates he’s listed as 50% het due to the possibility that the clutch was sired by a different male.
I feel like I’m being extremely pessimistic lately but I can’t understand why he’d sell the snake in this original post and say
I’d imagine any breeder would want to be able to
Sell animals that they’ve identified. Seems a bit odd but I guess everyone has their own standards they live by.
1st picture is the DAM
Second pic is the possible father
3rd pick is the other male bred to her.
Unless you meant the 1st male pictured?
My girl, pictured at the beginning of the thread I have no doubt is clown, just gotta figure the rest out. But for sure, a shed test will help a ton. I am gonna send in her next shed and post the results. It will be my first time doing a shed test so I’m actually excited for this.
Def a lot of questions to be figured out with this girl. I’ll keep you posted on the shed test. I’m excited for it, will be cool to learn her actual genes and then figure out what to pair her with when I get her up to size. Still have plenty of time before that, so also get to see how she changes over time.
Yeah, I see that now. I think I saw the second pic “his son” and assumed it was. I believe the son pic is the pic that was posted as one of the potential fathers. In which case I’d agree; if it isn’t het clown, then it can’t be the dad.
It’s been a long day; I’m struggling lol sorry thanks for the correction!
Are you sure that the first male snake you posted is the one you were told was the father? Only asking because as @armiyana pointed out, that snake isn’t clown or het clown. Which would mean he can’t produce clowns.
Edit: actually I suppose he could be.
The link I posted above is the father to male 1. With that being the case, he’s a pos. Het clown, which means he could produce clowns.
The snake you posted definitely isn’t het dg and hypo, it’s visual. For hypo at least.
gotcha, ya the one I pictured and the ad are 2 different snakes. Also, the one I pictured doesn’t say DH DG Hypo but I assume that may have just been typo in the owners original post.
This girl is turning into quiet the surprise animal for sure. lol
good point, I see what you mean about the sire and son now. Thanks for pointing that out.
I have the clutch card and that snake was all the same genes except I noticed it was labeled as DG hypo but on the clutch card it said DH DG Hypo. So seeing he does say it may be 50% clown but mentions the dual sire part, that leaves this open ended I guess.
I’m really curious, has there ever been a case where a clutch produced a offspring that carried genes from more than one sire?
Im curious is there has ever been a single offspring that somehow carried genes from both sires? Like, they each had a swimmer that tied for 1st place? Lol
Statistically the answer is, as far as I know, pretty close to no. I’m not sure in reptiles, but in humans where two sperm from one male have fertilized an egg, the condition is usually incompatible with life. There are only two known cases in the world of semi-identical twins, which requires two sperm to fertilize the egg and then split into two distinct cell groups that develop into separate embryos.
That said, I believe there is the possibility of two fathers for one offspring in the case of tetragametic chimerism, though I’m sure it would be exceedingly rare, and likely only revealed with in depth testing.
Any of our genetics folks are welcome to correct me if I’m wrong here.
Dam: Pastel Enchi Spotnose TH Hypo DG clown
Sire(s) 1: black pastel leo YB dh DG and clown
2: OD spotnose enchi 100% het clown
I am confident that the Black pastel was the sire.
Based on a black pewter clown on WOB, I am confident that she is a Black pewter clown and I am torn is thw weird patterning under her alien heads is poasibly Yellowbelly but I would kind of expect there to be more pixilation with YB so unsure. Her head is the one thing making me think Enchi is at play because of how light/bright it is.
