Confusion clutch, help please 🙏🏻

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Hello everyone :sunny:
I would love to have your thoughts on snakes A genetics. Male №1 is Confusion Enchi DH Tri-stripe Albino. Male №2 is Sandblast Killer Pied. Both paired to a Black Pastel Albino female.

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B- Confusion Black Pastel Enchi Albino poss. het Tri-Stripe
C- Confusion Enchi Albino poss. het Tri-Stripe
D- Confusion Enchi het Albino poss. het Tri-Stripe
E- Confusion Enchi het Albino poss. het Tri-Stripe

I don’t see either Confusion, Enchi or Black Pastel in snake A. Possible dual sired clutch.

Thanks a lot in advance :pray:t2:

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a dual sire clutch and A is a sandblast low expression pastel. You could get it tested for pied and that would be the answer on dad.

E also looks more like A to me than an Enchi Confusion. I would consider testing that one for pied as well if you really want answers.

I don’t work with confusion though so I could be wrong.

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Thank you for your reply @armiyana . I agree with you in the dual sired clutch. Snake A must be from Sandblast Killer Pied male.

The only thing that makes me wonder snake E might be Confusion is the little “mustache” it has and a bit of belly marks (see attached photo). But it does look Pastel as well so I must be wrong. It’s probably from Sandblast Killer Pied male too.

I am living in Thailand and I don’t think there is shed testing in the area.

Thanks again :slightly_smiling_face::pray:t2: I wish you a very nice day :sunny:

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Iirc, @t_h_wyman works with acid. I don’t think it’s been found to be the same as confusion gene (yet?), but it seems to act similarly. Maybe he can have a more definitive answer on it.

That little mustache is so cute tho.

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I would love to have @t_h_wyman advise :slightly_smiling_face:

Thank you again :blush::pray:t2:

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Thailand has very recently passed a law allowing export of snakes and snake skins after a lengthy prohibition. I don’t know the specific details of how one goes about doing this, nor the cost, but if you can get the export permits you can send the sheds to RGI for testing. You can find RGI through MorphMarket.

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If I may ask, where are you in Thailand? My son lived in Songkhla for a couple of years and loved it. He lived in Bangkok for a brief time, as well.

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Yes that’s right, Thailand can export snakes now. I never thought about sending sheds to overseas for testing and I am pretty sure it can be done without permits, I’ll look into it.

We are located on Phuket island, you are welcome to visit us anytime for a Singha and snake talk :blush::pray:t2:

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Oh, what a lovely spot! My son had a friend who lived there. He sent wonderful pics when he visited. Thanks for the invitation! Who knows, maybe one day! :blush:

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Neither A nor E have Confusion in them

A looks like it might be a very low quality Pastel. E is just an Enchi

Additionally, I think B may be just Albino Confusion
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Ben has confirmed that Acid and Confusion are unique, separate alleles and not the same :+1:t3:
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Thank you so much @t_h_wyman :pray:t2:

You are surely right.

I thought snake B had Black Pastel as it is way more “orange” vibrant than snake C.

So my last question is :

Would a Enchi Albino be brighter and less vibrant than a Confusion Albino ?

Thanks a lot again :slightly_smiling_face::pray:t2:

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I have not made any Albino Enchi personally, but from what I have seen online and at shows compared to the numerous Albino Acid combos I have made, the Acid ones are generally much brighter. Albino Enchi also have a tendency to blush out and develop a lot of yellow/orange bleed through. My original Albino Acid is the highest contrast stark white and gold Albino I have

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You don’t see any Black Pastel in snake B right ? Here’s a photo of the whole clutch :

Snake B is the one on top. As you can see it is way more vibrant than the other Albino on the right (C).

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Figured I should put my money where my mouth was making the above claim. Just an iPhone shot, no editing

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Definitely no BlkPastel in there. The interaction between Acid/Confusion and BlkPastel is very dramatic and you get a pretty significant pattern shift

This is an older pic of my Acid BlkP to give you an idea

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And this is my Albino Acid BlkP YB

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You can see that the patterns on mine are significantly different from you B animal :+1:t3: :+1:t3:

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