Pairing was 1.0 Lavender Cinder Tessera het Sunkissed ph Stripe x 0.1 Miami Caramel Sunkissed Tessera het Cinder. These two I am sure are Shatter but I cannot figure out what else is going on. No known Hypo in the lineage, no other known hets. Any ideas at all??
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It looks like what I would expect a Shatter Tessera to look like. I don’t see any other mutation. Most Shatters I’ve seen are “balder.” It’s a beautiful corn. 
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@deanaii that is what I had been thinking too, but there was also this girl from the clutch who I thought was a shatter tessera? but thank you, all 3 of these snakes are likely going to be holdbacks, but they’re just so curious looking!
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@reptile_sam Those are certainly some really cool corns Reptile Sam! And Dean knows what he’s talking about when it comes to corns! 
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@caron thank you! I really like them. The difference between the first two, and the third one that is more patterned, is what is really throwing me for a loop. They are 7 months old now and have grown quite a bit since those photos were taken as hatchlings, but their colors and patterns thus far have remained consistent!
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Yeah, I think she’s a Shatter Tessera too. Gorgeous.
Are they from ECW stock? The headstamp on that girl is like the one on 95% of the homo Sunkisseds I produce from ECW stock and descendants.
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Thank you so much for the input! So all just varieties of shatter tessera, pretty cool. I’m not sure about the father as I acquired him from another breeder who was not the original breeder, but the mother is from Silent Hill!
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I do see a noticeable difference in the lighter one. Although Dean knows more than I, and it could be lighting or exposure or camera, too.
It might help if you show us eye and belly photos if you suspect some type of hypo or hypo-like gene. Masque, for example, can have a hypo effect but no other noticeable change. Not sure how the identifying masque head works with the sunkissed head, though.
Diffused and even motley can cause a hypo/lightening effect as well. Both of those genes would contribute to the clean pattern on the two tesseras. But those genes would remove belly checkers.
Any kind of hypo should be apparent in the eyes, too. Lava eyes are pretty distinct. Ultramel, too
So, again, if you have more suspicions than straight shatter, additional pics would help.
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Very pretty babies, congrats on them @reptile_sam! Dean has lots of expertise with Cinder morphs. I’d also call these Shatter Tessera. I do wonder if maybe the first two are Shatter Motley-Stripe Tesseras. One parent is known het Stripe. If the other was carrying a Motley allele you’d get Motley-Stripe genetically, which is a Motley phenotype. Seems to me that your first two babies pictured here look just as Shatter Motley Tessera morph might look. Have I ever seen such a creature? No. I’m theorizing, but I think it’s reasonable.
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@caryl Caryl is another corn morph expert! You are getting some great advice here!
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Me too. I was really focused on pattern when I looked at the pics last night. Baby #2 is significantly lighter than the others. The range of variation within any morph can be a huge and lighting can make the same animal look totally different in different pics. If these were taken in the same light, the degree of difference does seem to indicate some lightening genetics at work. (Good catch, Natalie. )
Very pretty babies for sure!
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I was thinking the motley-stripe shatter tessera, too. Sam and I were having a conversation on MM at about these and he did say that the two cleanest shatters have no belly checkers so clearly something is happening there. Dad also has ph diffused, but mom doesn’t have any known diffused. So motley-stripe seems most likely. Motley is a common hidden het since diffused seems less common. Either way, I do think there is something more than just shatter tessera. Are you still of the same opinion, @deanaii? Knowing there are no belly checkers?
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Yeah, and mot-stripe would have a slight hypo effect too. I’d expect no side tesselation on a tessera mot shatter. And of course, no checkers, but some Tesseras have few or none too.
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@caryl thank you so much! I am super excited with these babies and some of them will definitely be holdbacks for more projects, but @snakes_of_shadowlake is working hard to get me to part with one of them! I think it would be really rad if Motley is present here. None of the other of my 20 babies had this crazy appearance, but that makes it even more exciting!
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@caryl @caron @snakes_of_shadowlake @deanaii thank you all for your input and for bumping this thread! I’m really excited with this little project and these animals and I appreciate all of your expert insights into what I’ve got going on here!
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We love success stories and pictures @reptile_sam! We see mostly ball python pictures/projects so it’s great to see more corn projects! Keep up with the progress and pics! 
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I’m a Shatter freak, so keep us updated.
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thank you very much! I work with some ball pythons and Lampropeltis too, but gotta love the variety and possibilities in corns!!
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thank you!! will do
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Yes! This male is so perfect for so many projects I have here, especially outcrossing Brie and Bugles, @deanaii . He’s het lavender as well, so if he really is visual motley-stripe, he’s an incredible addition to my son’s orchid-stripe project as well. Add his ph diffused—and maybe 66% hypo A or ultra based on some light siblings—it opens up even more projects…so he’s pretty much the swiss army knife of snake genetics in my collection! Haha. I still have a few mountains to climb (i.e. convincing the spouse, plus some other personal issues that @caryl and @deanaii know about), but I’ve already identified a viable plan to move forward on this and I’m hopeful the pieces will work out. We’ll see if we can make it happen…I sure hope I can!
@reptile_sam I hope you stick around and continue to share + follow the corn projects on MM community. This is such a great group that will support you and cheer you on!
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