Darkest, Dark?

[spottedbull]

@trnreptiles that girl is beautiful!

[jasonbailey]

Excited about this dark girl. Super chocolate

[royalbloodlinesllc]

Check out the Super Blackheads on MorphMarket . There is a recent one posted for sale that is super dark but it’s not mine so I didn’t want to post the picture

[phantom_hatchery]

@saleengrinch

Where are you seeing this? I have heard of zero issues with mahogany or it’s super having any defects

I’m not saying suma has issues, I’m saying that maybe when adding cinny/bp it messes with the head a little bit more than what we’d like. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of melanin and cinny/bp are already weird with that, I’m not sure. It doesn’t happen often, but I have seen it. Never anywhere near as extreme as super cinny/bp though. This is what I think we should keep an eye on, not suma itself.

@saleengrinch

There is zero evidence to support this I’m going to have to disagree.

Snakes with odd shaped heads / pencil necks is usually caused by incubation errors and have nothing to do with the genes. Duck billing is actually a secondary phenotype in the black pastel and cinnamon supers. You can breed both these genes to alleic genes such as het red axanthic and make a super (gargoyle) without any defects. The defects are only present in the super cinnamon and super black pastel.

The head shape I’m talking about is one that any ball python can have, it’s not from incubation error or from the morph itself. It’s just how that bloodline is. Not many people pay attention to head structure in ball pythons, but if you look at individuals you can see that they vary a lot. The head structure I see a lot with mahoganies is a slightly narrow snout with a wider head. When you breed two individuals with this, you can sometimes get offspring with a slightly more extreme version of this. This can explain why some sumas have slightly weird heads. This has nothing to do with suma itself. Any animal can have this. I just notice it more with mahoganies and clowns. I wanted to point this out because I have seen people wary of sumas because they sometimes have weird heads.

[m_ellis]

My super black pastel het pied poss calico

And my Mojave GHI het ghost.

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[spottedbull]

@m_ellis Welcome to the community! You certainly picked some great snakes as your first post!! Those are sweet!!

[ghoulishcresties]

Oooh that little white belly 🥲

Welcome to the family Ellis, please share more babies

[m_ellis]

I have plenty of babies just no more dark morphs lol

[zerorep]

Black Pin Panda

[lumpy]

That is gorgeous! Love the very low white!

[spottedbull]

@zerorep congrats on some amazing snakes. Those are awesome!

And what a first post! Welcome to the family!

[melissa45]

Thank you, that’s one very beautiful snake!

[t_h_wyman]

This girl

Over 1000g and still makes the black backdrop look grey by comparison LOL

[spottedbull]

Smoking hot snake! Love it!

[sikwititballpythons]

A combo of genes will give you the darkest. Ghi blackhead mahogany is one of the darkest I’ve seen

[lumpy]

She is a wonderful combination of pattern and black!

[rhettro69]

My GHI Mystic Black Pastel (unfortunately in shed)
And Super Blackhead Axanthic

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[zerorep]

Thank you, spottedbull