So anyone want to help with me with why my super hypo aka leucistic got flagged as a super cappuccino?fyi mack leucistic from mack hypos
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Do you mean this animal was flagged on the main MorphMarket site? If that is the case I’d contact customer service if you believe the animal was mistakenly flagged. You can do so either through the contact form on the support page of the main site, or by email at: support@morphmarket.com
As for anything else ID related, @ghoulishcresties may be able to help you there.
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I’m gonna tag @eaglereptiles because I know they were just working on the genetic hypo/blizzard stuff too. In case there’s extra insight there.
I don’t know if the flag was because it’s such a new morph and is just getting its own info page soon.
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Morphmarket has responded they have experts that know about this gene, and it isnt one of them.My guess is someone thinks they have the only line of genetic hypos and here we are.They told me to post here for additional “insight” in order to get my ad out back uo.
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I wish I knew more on cresties sometimes…
I don’t know anything as far as Mack being involved on the Genetic Hypo/Blizzard…If Mack’s are different line of Genetic Hypo like Pinky or GhostPax I don’t think they’ve been proven as compatible yet?
‘mack leucistic’ hasn’t been brought up as a potential proven line yet so that may be why it was flagged.
But all I have to go on for the moment is the gene request form that had been filled here with one of the other breeders involved.
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Theres a whole write up on the mack line out, as well several leucistics and hypos available from this year.Whether or not its compatible with other hypo lines hasnt been proven yet, but most likely will be.So does this mean we need a new section for mack hypos and leucistics or do we just go by the title of genetic hypo
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That will probably best be answered by eagle reptiles when they get online and see the ping here.
It’s probably just going to be added onto the gene writeup as a potential line of it, but since I don’t think anyone has gone to post the info from Mack here that may not be in the current list, so eagle reptiles may just need to edit it in.
Not every breeder comes here to update us on things as quickly as we’d like sometimes. Bugg Plugg was the one to come here and provide the info for the gene with what they knew and no one else has provided info from what I know. Shrug
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Dear Community,
I want to address some recent misconceptions regarding my Genetic Hypo project, particularly the claims that the Super Hypo (Black Eyed Leucistic or BEL), also known as Blizzard in our line, is the same as the Cappuccino and Super Cappuccino morphs. It’s essential to clarify that my Genetic Hypo morph is distinct and has proven to be healthy over multiple generations.
Key Points:
- Distinct Morphology:
- Genetic Hypo: This morph is characterized by a reduction in melanin, resulting in lighter and often more translucent patterns compared to standard morphs. Genetic Hypo geckos exhibit a unique grey appearance as they age, with some individuals displaying head stamps.
- BEL (Blizzard): The BEL, or Blizzard, is the Super Hypo form, showcasing a striking white body with yellow pigment and black eyes. Our Blizzard line has proven to be healthy, capable of reproducing successfully, and metabolizing calcium effectively.
- Cappuccino: This morph is known for its darker, coffee-like coloration and unique pattern.
- Super Cappuccino: The Super form of Cappuccino, however, is problematic. These geckos often suffer from calcium absorption issues and structural deformities, particularly in the nose area. Due to these health concerns, the Super Cappuccino is generally frowned upon in the community.Note on Lineage: The individual identified by Jere as a BEL comes directly from Mack’s lines, further substantiating the genetic distinction and authenticity of the morph. If your BEL is being denied on the website, despite established evidence that it is a different gene, I suggest posting proof of the lineage here to back your claim.
- Health and Viability: Over several breeding cycles, my Genetic Hypo morphs have shown no health issues. The oldest female, Bella, is 30g and thriving. This challenges the claim that BELs inherently suffer from health problems. Our Blizzard line has demonstrated the ability to reproduce, indicating effective calcium metabolism and overall health.
- Proven Genetics: The Genetic Hypo gene has been meticulously documented. I have a detailed page on my website outlining the genetic lineage and breeding history: Genetic Hypo Information.
- Community Support and Documentation: The MorphMarket community chat also includes discussions and evidence supporting the distinct nature of the Genetic Hypo gene: MorphMarket Community Discussion.
- Future Compatibility Testing: At this time, it is unknown if my Genetic Hypo line and Mack’s Hypo line are compatible. We are planning breeding tests and hope to have conclusive results by next year. This ongoing research will help further clarify and establish the genetic distinctiveness and compatibility of these lines.
Conclusion: The Genetic Hypo project should be recognized as a separate and distinct morph from the Cappuccino and Super Cappuccino. The evidence of health and unique genetic characteristics supports this claim. I urge the community to consider this information and to recognize the Genetic Hypo morph as a valuable and healthy addition to our understanding of crested gecko genetics.
Thank you for your attention and support.
Best Regards,
Brian Burnett
Owner, The Bugg Plug
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I want to clarify that I do not know if this individual actually possesses the animal in question. My support is solely for the genetics that I have proven in my Genetic Hypo project and what Mack has publicly documented and proven. While I agree with the genetic information Mack has shared, I have only seen this particular post and have no involvement with the animal itself. My backing is for the validity of the Genetic Hypo gene. If this individual can provide proof of lineage and physical possession of the animal, it would further support the genetic claims.
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Thanks for dropping in with further info on your morph project. I think once the actual Morphipedia page goes live it will clear up a lot of confusion.
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Thank you everyone.
Until proven compatible, they will need to be kept separate, and even then, due to the unique lineage, unique trait names may become important.
Let’s name all of these line A, B, C for a moment… Imagine a future where it becomes apparent that these are ever so slightly different genetically and A + Axanthic and C + Axanthic is a fine combo, but B + Axanthic is fatal.
This can be done by using the “+/New Topic” button here:
TL;DR:
Until proven compatible, please do not use the Genetic Hypo tag.
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Alright so am I able to post it as a Mack hypo, as the validity of the gene has already been made clear actually emailed the write up over to mm when this started, or would it be taken down with mm calling it a super cappuccino again?
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The way I’m reading it.
When you post the gecko again, do not use the tag for genetic hypo. Leave the morph tag blank.
You can put something like ‘Mack Hypo’ or “Super Hypo” as the title for seach popups.
In the description you would state something like, “This is a super hypo originating from the Mack line. It’s not yet proven to be compatible to Genetic Hypo, but appears to be very similar to that morph”
Edit: Did a quick search cause you keep calling it “Mack Hypo” Apparently Mack is calling it the “Pinky” line if you wanted to call it that.
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Mack dropped the pink tag about a year ago theyre being advertised as mack hypos and mack leucistics
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I still need to hear back from more market as they have someone knowledgeable swearing its a super cao for some reason sk the deabte isnt over until I get approval have already sent them write ups on the morph with receipts ready to go.
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