Hi I bought this ball python from a pet store. I am not sure the morph type.
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Hello!
Your ball python is a champagne morph.
As a warning, champagne is in the same group of genetic mutations as the spider morph. They can sometimes get what’s called a ‘wobble’ and it can be harder to for the snake to go up and down or right themselves when upside down. This can get worse if they stress out or are in new situations.
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Thanks we were told it was a champagne. I’ve actually had him for almost 3 years.
I bought him and a female spider bp. I was half attempting to breed them this year (only put them together 2 times) and to my surprise I walked in about 2 months ago to some eggs. she laid 6 only 2 were viable. Those hatched today and both are what seem to be normal BP…so that’s why I asked. It had me questioning if the male was champagne or not. Guess we just had bad odds.
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Spider and Champagne combined is lethal, that is why you only got 2 normals and is why 2/3 of the eggs went bad or didnt hatch.
I would not pair these two again (at least not to eachother or any/most of the genes in the Spider Complex) there are several threads scattered around talking about the Spider Complex and I really recomend reading up on the genes within and planning any future pairings around that
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As scaledcanvas said, spider and champagne is a lethal combo. Any baby that inherits both genes will either fail to come to term or dies not long after hatching.
Please make sure to do more research into the genetics of the animals you plan to breed. There are different combinations that can have different results. Spider complex has one of the most extreme.
Also, even without the combination of genes, you should be aware of wobble in both the spider and champagne genes. Both genes can cause serious disability in some offspring and they may need to be euthanized if they cannot feed or maintain themselves properly. This can happen to them even if neither parent is showing a wobble.
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I don’t want to “beat on the dead horse” as its been said already but I feel its important enough to do so…
Please don’t breed them again and take plenty of time to do more genetics research before you want to breed Ball Pythons- or any other reptile for that matter.
Ask around with experienced and trusted breeders and make sure you have a breeding and housing plan set in place well before you ever put your males with your females… its already pretty hard to sell hatchlings as it is right now.
You are lucky you didn’t have those other eggs make it full term because you would have more than likely had to euthanize any Spider/Champagne combos that did make it past incubation to avoid unnecessary suffering. (Edit-corrected)>For the Normals you might want to just sell them as “Pet Only” because they carry those genes.
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Not quite true. They’re simple normals. They don’t carry a version of spider or champagne, as it’s not a recessive gene that would be hidden in a het form.
I agree the pairing shouldn’t be done, but these are normals, nothing more than that.
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