Hello, I have done some quick searches but can’t seem to find the exact answer I’m looking for. It seems like I’m just missing something or missed a post about a change in how searches and the MM calculator works now. Or I’m having a senior moment.
Honestly I haven’t been on the MM app nor used the calculator in quite a while.
Questions:
In the BP category I was searching for super banana + het pied, which I figured was 100% het pied. It gave me the super bananas but showed any labeled as het pied. It’s good that a lot of sellers specify 100% or 66% or 50% in the title but there are some that don’t specify and also select “het pied” trait rather than using the specific %ph label. Some don’t even specify the pairing in the description, so that means the animal could be 100% het or 66% or 50% with no way for a potential buyer to know without making an inquiry, right? Was that a recent change, or have I just never noticed the way the het search functions?
In the morph calculator I can’t seem to enter any %ph but rather only “het piebald.” Is this also a change, or has it always been this way?
Not a big deal to me, but just wondering if there have been recent changes or if I just never noticed, and is it working as it should.
I don’t speak BP and don’t know a thing about what combos or genes or whatever make what, but I can help with this part of your query.
You’re right, you can’t enter %hets. %hets refer to the odds of getting a particular result from a particular pairing. They don’t refer to any individual. The calculator is designed to figure out possible results of two specific animals’ genes. Since individuals are either homozygous, het or not het for each trait, the calculator needs one of those values.
After re-reading (and re-re-reading) this, I think I understand what you’re asking. If so, it’s not specific to BPs, so here’s my take on what I think the question is. If I’m all wrong about the question, just stop reading now and please forgive me.
I’m a corn snake gal, but I think it’s the same idea. Sellers don’t necessarily always list or tag hets correctly based on info given later in ad, or at all. It’s great when they do. Depending on how the ad is created, tags can auto-populate when the hets are spelled out. Titles can automatically be written or corrected to reflect tags if a seller updates them. As I understand it, the search function is designed to search for tags; if the tags are incorrect or missing, you won’t see those animals in the results.
It’s kinda like house hunting. We’ve been house hunting. It seems that something basic like a garage or basement should be valid things to put into the filters, right? It turns out that the people listing houses for sale on the big search engines don’t necessarily click some box somewhere in the process and houses with an obvious garage or basement don’t appear in results.
It shouldn’t be giving you all the pos het pieds, by any chance do you have the box checked that says “Any trait form” on the side? When I search Super Banana + Het Piebald all I get is those that are 100% so I’m not able to reproduce the issue.
Thank you @caryl ! Everything sounds great in my hhead but when i type something out it never comes out right. Most of the posts I creat are so long because I can’t explain things as well as I want to so i keep going round and round in circles, making several attempts to make sense. And I fail miserably
And yes, you definitely understood what I was trying to say. Thank you so much for translating for the rest of those who went through my painfully confusing post.
No, i didn’t check that box (which it works as it should anyway). I was just stating that some lavbel “het pied” as the "tag when they actually have the option to select %66 or 50% ph pied. I only noticed this because i wrongly assumed that the het pied label meant specifically 100%. When i open some of the ads not already labeled 100% het pied or 66% het pied in the title, i noticed that because of the pairing they listed in the ad can’t be 100% het pied (could that be because sellers may not realize they can select 66% or 50%)
By no means am i trying to be disrespectful to any sellers. I’m just pointing out that the “het pied” label might encompass 100%, 66% and 50% which could confuse someone like me.
Editing because i don’t know if i can screenshot specific ads without violating rules because it kind of calling out sellers specifically to illustrate what I’m trying to say
Screenshot of morph calculator referencing my other question which is likely overkill and unnecessary. 95% sure I’m the only person who can’t figure out how to do more than the simplest punnett square
Adding that I’m thinking about adding one of thesee gorgeous super bananas to my collection so that’s why i went down this dumb rabbit hole in the first place
I re-read @Caryl’s post and I understand now. With what little understanding of BPs I have, I am wondering if some of these where the genetics don’t match the tag are because of het markers? Here’s a little more info about Het Pied markers:
Obviously a marker isn’t a guarantee, but I’d guess some people may be willing to list it as such.
If something is tagged as ‘het pied’, it should be 100% het. Sellers might be misusing, intentionally or not, the het tag. You’re welcome to flag ads that are incorrectly labeled or tagged.
As far as calculating pos hets on the calculator, you need to run it once as 100% het and once as not het at all to get an idea of what you might produce. A 66% pos het animal just means the chance that that animal is carrying a copy of that gene is 66% likely. But in reality, the animal either has a copy or doesn’t. So you need to run it as 100% and as 0%. Does that make sense?
I don’t have time to check myself this morning but is it a situation where the breeder is tagging the animal as het pied and then listing it as pos het in the description? If so, report those ads.
I think basically all your questions have been answered, but mirroring what don said, if the ad is tagged for het, and is actually a pos het, it should be reported.
In terms of the calculator, if you wanted to get into it, you could do the calculations for poss hets, but it just adds more confusion. When determining offspring the snake either has to be het, or isn’t het. With it being 50% het, that simply just means that from the pairing it was produced from, half of the babies should be carrying the het. So that just means that some babies do and some babies don’t.
Long story short, trying to add pos hets to the calculator would likely do more confusion/harm than good. As far as I’m aware it’s never been included in the calculator for said reasons.
Don’t be so down on yourself! And you are not a lie! You are a beautiful person who is supposed to be here my dear! Don’t make me have to come there and give you a good talkin’ too!!!
You’re not an idiot, @gina5678. We all have days when our brain cells aren’t communicating well to one another. Goodness knows, I certainly say silly things more than I would prefer. Like @caron said, don’t be down on yourself. We appreciate that you are here!
@gina5678, it just occurred to me that you might have thought I meant your question wasn’t clear when I said I re-read it. I apologize if that was what you thought. I only meant that my old brain cells weren’t really firing on all cylinders, to mangle a metaphor. Clearly that continues to be the case this evening. I just belatedly realized how that might have been taken, and ran for my phone so I could apologize. (Okay, I’m stretching it a bit with the running since the rest of my body is also old and doesn’t exactly run. But I did hurry.)
If you thought my lack of clarity was laid at your door, that’s only due to my own lack of clarity. I am truly sorry if my responses came across as critical of you in any way.