Hello everyone need a little help on identifying these babies. The paring was a sable to a black pastel Mojave ghost. The are both deep in shed but hopefully we can still figure it out.
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Nice looking snake! I think it might be better to see after shed pics, just to dull to see true colors at the moment. To me the pattern and flames looks a lot like some just black pastels I have produced, that’s my best guess. But I have no sables in my collection, so I could be wrong. Love to see after shed, either way!
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I figured them being in shed would be difficult I will post new pics in a couple days when then shed out
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Definitely wait until post-shed. Until then, I am going to tag @saleengrinch in because I know he works extensively with Sable
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It will definitely be waaayyyy easier after it’s out of the blue. Looks mojave sable in this picture. And some better pictures on a solid background. Are they two different snakes tough for tell from the pictures?
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Black pastel normally will have a cleaner belly per morphpedia and reflected in my collection, my sables all have black markings on the belly as a spotnose (see morphpedia) would and mine as well do (related traits). I hope this helps. If needed I will get a picture later.
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There is an excellent example of mojave sable on the sable page https://www.morphmarket.com/morphpedia/ball-pythons/sable/
It’s right after the excellent example of sable vanilla🙃
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my photography skills are nonexistent, if you could get pictures of the bellies of a sable and a black pastel cwpoexotics could get a better idea of genes, even before the shed
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It’s a combo so I don’t think belly pictures are going to help. The main thing I would look at to determine what genes they have in this particular pairing is the smearing and color of the alien heads.
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top pic black pastel, GHI, yellowbelly (clean belly), mid pic pastel, sable (black checkering typical sable) bottom pic leopard, yellow belly, spotnose, (typical checkering of spotnose or sable combos I have seen) I know the mudball is fat she ate a really big meal. super pastel, sable, specter (not pictured) did get checkering washed away, to your point Grinch
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I am pretty confident that these are BlkPastel and not Mojave, the alien heads have the eyebrows in them and those are lacking in the Mojave Sable.
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I’d like to see post shed pictures first lol. Admittedly I’ve never hatched black pastel sable. I have hatched mojave sable. Either way I’m fairly confident the sable gene is present lol
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These are fresh shed I’m pretty sure they are sable but not sure on the black pastel
Those pictures help alot they look black pastel sable to me.
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