IDing other genes in high white pieds

I have a question!
There’s a snake that’s been sitting in my saves on MM for a while that I’d be interested in if it has all the genes listed.

However, it’s a high white pied with only color on the head and very tip of it’s tail.
From there I can confirm banana, but there are several other traits listed and I have no clue how people are able to confirm multiple genes in high white pieds without testing?

I’d post a pic of the snake, but I don’t know if it would be considered rude or not :sweat_smile:

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I think as long as you’re not posting the ad itself it should be okay… Though if a mod needs to correct me on that please do!

The screencap of the snake and the potential genes or the parents genes. Then if anything we can try! But yeah, especially with banana it can be very difficult to ID some morphs because of the color tweaks

Because of the clutch mates, I believe the banana ID but they’re also saying mojave and leopard and I have NO IDEA how they can tell that! I know they haven’t shed tested because he’s listed with a 50% het.

If there’s some tells on just this little bit of noncovered area, I would LOVE to know them!

I can definitely believe banana Mojave pied. The color isn’t quite right for a banana pied and Mojave can tend towards high white.

Leopard may still be a bit of a gamble, but judging by the somewhat darker colors, I think the chance is high. The Mojave tends to push the eye stripes to bright yellow and lavender on the head in bananas. The darker tones do lean closer to Mojave leopard.

Thank you for that analysis! I’m still learning how the different genes interact with each other and I’m amazed that so much can be discerned from such a small sample! :purple_heart:

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Yeah, sometimes it can be really frustrating. Even genes in the same complex can have different results in combos. So really doing some research before breeding is really important.

Here’s one that I hatched recently that took some consideration on the interactions…
Sire is a Mojave lesser sandblast (super) cinnamon het pied
Dam is a banana het pied
So this baby cannot be a BEL. It is a piebald and either lesser or Mojave
Super cinny Pieds can be all white. But it’s not a super. So there’s the interaction between the single BEL gene and Cinnamon making it white. The interaction between piebald and the BEL gene also gives them small eyes that look red even though they’re not albino.


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Oh my goodness, what a unique baby! I would have been VERY confused to pop out what looks like a BEL from that pairing :joy:
That’s so interesting, did any other clutchmates throw you for a loop in that one?

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It was a small 3 egg clutch. But the other 2 were mostly what I expected to see.

One of my females retained sperm from a previous year and that was a really confusing one for me. The previous owner must have had a BEL male that was not the same combo that mine was. So that was a bit of a head scratch moment. Lol

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