Leo id again what's is duckie considered and is this a sub adult or what

[italiandude89]

And this is the male I picked up too

[lumpy]

@erie-herps might be able to help with this

Definitely better pictures are needed also. Can you please post those with the help of this thread? Guide in asking for Morph Identification Help

[erie-herps]

It looks to be a murphy patternless, but seeing how the patterns develop with age will help. The male looks to be a super hypo tangerine.