Correct morph id? unfortunately the dude selling doesn’t have any picture of the parents
It really depends on who you ask. A lot of the line bred traits are subjective. So you can get different answers depending on lineage or expression
Super Hypo Baldy het Tremper pos het eclipse is correct regardless.
The orange banding is so minimal and broken up that I wouldn’t consider this a carrot tail. I personally prefer 15% or more of the tail to be unbroken orange to be considered a carrot tail.
The color is considered tangerine, but tangerines have come so far. This is more like an 'old school’s tangerine from when I was actively breeding Leo’s 15 years ago.
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Would this be more of an accurate representation of a shtctb? And if I do line breed them, all offsprings have an equal chance to be more orange than both parents, same orange intensity as the father, middle ground of the orange intensity of the mother and father, and lastly, the same orange intensity of the mother, is that corrent?
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Looking at your first photo again (and upping the brightness on my phone screen >_>;) it looks like maybe they are a bit darker orange in person because of the camera wash?
The second is definitely what I consider a good example of shtctb. The 45% or so solid band of the tail is great.
The downside with line breeding is that it takes time and is a bit unpredictable at first. Without knowing the quality of the parents to these two, you might get a big mix of offspring. But in theory, after a couple generations you should be producing pretty consistent results in the offspring.
It can take time, but by making sure to hold back the best offspring and only crossing out to high quality animals you should see results.
With this pairing, if both animals had super hypo baldy parents, you should get pretty consistent results as far as that goes. Sometimes a hypo slips through from the genetic curveball. But you should be able to get a nice mix of offspring that are similar quality to the parents. Colorwise you may have to hold back the offspring a bit to see color development, but there should be a few that really pop. It’s just a matter of patience. The orange in the tail can definitely take a bit longer to develop and isn’t always visible at hatching.
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Thank you so much, I’ve learned so much from your input.
here’s the updated pic of the 2nd lg i’ve commented
while this is the update pic of 1st one, seems to be in shed so the colors are not popping off, and the seller told me it is a giant, im not so sure i believe him, but she is 76g, have a doh of aug 2023.
And she is also gravid, had her first drop with the seller on march 7, she is paired with a
MORPH:SHTCTB 100% HET TREMPER 66% POSS HET ECLIPSE
PARENTS: BI SHTCTB HET TREMPER POS HET ECLIPSE X BOLDSTRIPE TREMPER POSS WY PH ECLIPSE
while I plan on getting a new pair, which is this
any possible opinion in regards to what approach should i take?
Honestly, while the CT on the Sunglow is broken up a bit, the color on that pair is fantastic.
If I was planning on breeding I would go for that second pair over the first.
The downside with the first female’s breeding is you would be more likely to see patterns on the offspring. So if your goal is intensifying the oranges on a patternless gecko the second pair is a good clean start with the bonus of all of the offspring being het albino. If the female does end up being her albino or eclipse that’s even better.
RAPTORs can be amazing looking geckos. But they suffered from too much outcrossing. A good quality one should be the acronym:
Red eye (eclipse)
Albino
Patternless (super hypo)
Tremper ORange (Tremper’s line of tangerines)
The result of the outcrossing left a lot of low quality ones with spots and markings being sold as Raptors instead of the patternless they’re supposed to be
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what do you mean by ct? sorry for asking, a bit new to lg morphs, but already set my plan on avoiding working with patterned project morphs, and would probably just work with intensifying solid color morphs. I’ve set my eyes on black night and diablo blanco.
Thanks for the insight btw.
Carrot Tail. It’s another line bred trait. Most leopard geckos would have a little bit of orange on the tail base, so by breeding the ones with a lot of it you get to the point where 15% of the tail or more is a solid and unbroken orange color like a carrot.
Diablo Blanco is definitely the easier project here for a beginner. The genetics are all easy to pass recessives. Albino, Blizzard and Eclipse. (Technically also Patternless Stripe, but not as important as the other 3)
Black Night is another line bred project. So this is another that can take a while to get good results, especially if you aren’t working with all geckos from that bloodline. The more outcrossing you have the more yellow will come back in that you’ll need to breed back out.
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oh mb mb, i thought it was something else. Yeah really interesting trait, having a solid orange tail.
So should I trade/sell the first pair, even though she is gravid and the male exhibits a nice intensity of orange and carrot tail? and focus on getting a pair to create diablo blanco?
It’s really up to you. Having a project that you like is better than just going with what others say.
If they’re already in your hands…I would probably consider at least getting a bit of experience since you’ll have eggs to incubate with this pair. And while getting that experience you can look into finding the right animals for your other projects you would want to work.
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This is noted, thank you, you were very helpful in making me understand a bit more of linebreeding.
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No problem! Glad it helped and I hope you have good luck with your breeding plans.
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Fortunately, I’m getting them today, the 2nd pair, where the female is gravid, she already had 4 eggs dropped with the seller. Here’s a pic of their offspring last year.
Last question, outcrossing their offsprings isn’t probably a good idea, right? I’ve just thought about lessening the inbreeding, and introducing new blood, but I dont really know.
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That’s a gorgeous baby there.
If you are looking to outcross that could be a good point because it looks like the polymorphic genes are strong. With the first pair you posted it was more of a recent outcross so there wasn’t a chance to build the color back up if that makes sense
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Thank you. At what generation should I begin to outcross them? And another question, their colors turn pale after shipping, that is normal right? I’ll acclimate them for a couple of days and I’ll post updated pictures.
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They can definitely be pale from stress and from being too cold. They should brighten up after they start feeling comfortable.
It’s really difficult to say when the best time to outcross is. If I were to have a line bred project again, it would be when you start to see consistency in the hatchlings and having them look as good as the parents if not better. That would most likely be when the polygenic influence would be strongest and make it easier to get back to those brighter and deeper colors.
Judging by the offspring that this pair had, you may be able to outcross that male to another female and still have some good results 
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Thank you, I’d post pictures again in the following days.
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Here are said update pictures
Morph: SHTCTB Het Albino Tremper Poss Het Eclipse
Gender: Female
Pairing: SHTCTB Het Albino Tremper Poss Het Eclipse x Boldstripe Albino Tremper Poss White and Yellow Poss Het Eclipse
Morph: SHTCTB Het Albino Tremper Poss Het Eclipse
Gender: Male
Pairing: SHTCTB Poss Het RAPTOR x Tangerine Albino Tremper Het Eclipse
Morph: SHTCTB Poss Het RAPTOR
Gender: Female
Morph: Sunglow Poss Het Eclipse Poss Het Blizzard
Gender: Male
I posted them by order, I also asked the other hatchlings, if it produced another sunglow so I can determine if the 2nd pair female is het albino tremper. What could I expect in regards with the first pair, considering the second pair will be intensifying the orange? Thank you.