Sooooo did a thinggg🤭 new breeding project coming🎊: high-expression red phantom lilly whites pics of the male and female plus their parents & traits/description below😌
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It moved the pics all around and idk how to fix it🙄
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You’d need to load them individually to get them in the correct order.
You’ll have lots of spots with this pairing. I don’t see the male as brown, looks yellow to me with reverse pin and brindle.
I’m not entirely sure they’ll produce high expression phantom Lilly whites, but can’t wait to see 
good luck
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Female is a red bicolour with dal spots, some Halrly patterning also there, and your male is an orange Dalmation phantom Lilly white.
You are highly unlikely going to get high expression Lillies with this pair, but most likely phantoms, bicolours, tigers, Dalmation babies. Tricolour also from mums side. With and without being lilly also. But I’d say all will have spots as that’s some very spotty parents and grandparents!
Also FTS is one thing. (Males usually ok to breed with it) but Having a bend at the base of tail is another thing and could be MBD. So ask for better pics of male before you commit.
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He looks super cool to me personally so i hope theres no genetics problems because id love to be able to breed him, did get him at a rather cheap price for a lilly white so even if hes just a pet not totally a loss
He is dehydrated badly! Sunken eyes. That’s not a healthy gecko to receive…
Also spine looks bent so I’d say pet only for him…
Im pretty sure hes just dehydrated from shipment and his spine looks fine it was just the way he was positioned in the picture but his tail does seem to have 2 bends on it so idk. If there is something wrong im definitely gonna post the breeders so people know who not to buy from🙄
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I agree, he doesn’t look healthy in the last pics. Might be delivery though as depends how long it took.
Maybe take some more pics once he’s settled in?
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The tail looks kinked which is a sign of mbd. FTS should only kink the base of the tail.
If it is mbd then let only
But pics after his settled would be best
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Im doing research and and they’re making it sound like mbd is treatable with extra care and good husbandry and that its cause is poor husbandry so once hes healthy wouldn’t he still be breedable?
Once a Gecko has mbd then they have it for life, however you can do things to prevent them getting worse and to make them more comfortable.
Any Gecko with mbd should not be bred. Geckos can be in extreme pain with it, so breeding can cause more pain … plus there is a chance it’s genetic (I don’t believe it’s proven yet). You would be required to advertise offspring as though they have mbd until it’s proven to not be genetic.
I want to add… Sometimes esp when shipping during hot weather, geckos can get a wavy tail and sunken eyes when dehydrated. So I still believe that waiting until he has settled to get another look at him would be best as it might not be mbd.
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Thank you everyone for the advice its really helpful🫶
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As fox said, once they have MBD that’s it.
Noticed from the first pic the base so after seeing those too the bent bad and wavy tail he’s definitely not healthy.
Also shipping doesn’t make them dehydrated like that, we use couriers here and I’ve never received a gecko that bad…
If I were you I would contact the breeder straight away. As they should NOT be selling animals that aren’t healthy and not labelling MBD is not ok either. This should be mentioned to them as they’ve sold you an unhealthy animal.
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Yeah not over here, but we use couriers.
Other countries don’t tend to use couriers and they have Warner climate than us
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