Monitor Lizard traits - Category upgrade! [DONE] [1568]

[eaglereptiles]

In preparation to promote Monitor Lizards to a top level category, we need to build a trait list for the genes and combos.

For each of these, we need to know what kind of gene it is (recessive/incdom/dom) OR what combination of genes represent it.

Also any hybrids that are know to be both viable and non-viable.

Please add anything that is missing or correct me where I am wrong.

If you know anyone that work with Monitor Lizards, send them a link to this thread and ask them to help out.

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Empagusia

V. bengalensis, Bengal monitor
V. dumerilii, Dumeril’s monitor, brown roughneck monitor
V. flavescens, golden monitor, yellow monitor, short-toed monitor
V. nebulosus, clouded monitor
V. rudicollis, black roughneck monitor

Euprepiosaurus

V. bennetti, Bennett’s long-tailed monitor
V. caerulivirens, turquoise monitor
V. cerambonensis, Ceram monitor
V. colei Kei Islands monitor
V. doreanus, blue-tailed monitor
V. douarrha, New Ireland monitor
V. finschi, Finsch’s monitor
V. indicus, mangrove monitor
V. jobiensis, peach-throated monitor
V. juxtindicus, Rennell Island monitor
V. melinus, quince monitor
V. lirungensis, Talaud mangrove monitor
V. obor, sago monitor
V. rainerguentheri Rainer Günther’s monitor
V. semotus, Mussau Island blue-tailed monitor
V. tsukamotoi, Mariana monitor
V. yuwonoi black-backed mangrove monitor, tricolor monitor
V. zugorum, silver monitor, Zug’s monitor

Odatria

V. a. acanthurus, spiny-tailed monitor, ““ackies”” (red & yellow)
V. a. brachyurus, common spiny-tailed monitor
V. a. insulanicus, island spiny-tailed monitor
V. auffenbergi, Auffenberg’s monitor, peacock monitor
V. baritji, White’s dwarf monitor, black-spotted ridge-tailed monitor, lemon-throated monitor
V. brevicauda, short-tailed monitor
V. bushi, Pilbara stripe-tailed monitor, Bush’s monitor
V. caudolineatus, stripe-tailed monitor
V. eremius, rusty desert monitor, pygmy desert monitor
V. gilleni, pygmy mulga monitor
V. glauerti, Kimberley rock monitor
V. glebopalma, twilight monitor, black-palmed rock monitor
V. hamersleyensis, Hamersley Range rock monitor
V. kingorum, Kings’ rock monitor
V. mitchelli, Mitchell’s water monitor
V. pilbarensis, Pilbara rock monitor
V. primordius northern ridge-tailed monitor
V. scalaris, banded tree monitor
V. semiremex rusty monitor
V. similis, Similis monitor, spotted tree monitor
V. sparnus, Dampier Peninsula monitor
V. s. storri, eastern Storr’s monitor
V. s. ocreatus, western Storr’s monitor
V. timorensis, Timor monitor
V. t. tristis, black-headed monitor
V. t. orientalis, freckled monitor

Papusaurus

V. salvadorii, crocodile monitor

Philippinosaurus

V. bitatawa, northern Sierra Madre forest monitor, butikaw, bitatawa
V. mabitang, Panay monitor, mabitang
V. olivaceus, Gray’s monitor, butaan

Polydaedalus

V. a. albigularis, white-throated monitor
V. a. angolensis, Angolan monitor
V. a. microstictus, black-throated monitor
V. exanthematicus, savannah monitor, Bosc’s monitor (has hypo rec morph)
V. niloticus, Nile monitor
V. stellatus, West African Nile monitor
V. ornatus, ornate monitor
V. yemenensis, Yemen monitor

Psammosaurus

V. g. griseus, desert monitor, grey monitor
V. g. caspius, Caspian monitor
V. g. koniecznyi, Indian desert monitor, Thar desert monitor

Solomonsaurus

V. spinulosus, spiny-necked mangrove monitor, Solomon Islands spiny monitor

Hapturosaurus

V. beccarii, black tree monitor
V. boehmei, golden-spotted tree monitor
V. bogerti, Bogert’s monitor
V. keithhornei, canopy goanna, blue-nosed tree monitor, Nesbit River monitor
V. kordensis, Biak tree monitor
V. macraei, blue-spotted tree monitor
V. prasinus, emerald tree monitor
V. reisingeri, yellow tree monitor
V. telenesetes, mysterious tree monitor, Rossell tree monitor

Varanus

V. giganteus, perentie
V. gouldii, Gould’s monitor, sand monitor, sand goanna
V. mertensi, Mertens’ monitor
V. p. panoptes, Argus monitor
V. p. horni, Horn’s monitor
V. p. rubidus, yellow-spotted monitor
V. rosenbergi, Rosenberg’s monitor, heath monitor
V. spenceri, Spencer’s monitor
V. varius, lace monitor (Super Bell dom morph)
V. komodoensis, Komodo dragon

Soterosaurus

V. bangonorum, Bangon monitor
V. cumingi, Cuming’s water monitor, yellow-headed water monitor
V. dalubhasa, Enteng’s monitor
V. marmoratus, marbled water monitor, Philippine water monitor
V. nuchalis large-scaled water monitor
V. palawanensis, Palawan water monitor
V. rasmusseni, Rasmussen’s water monitor
V. s. salvator, Sri Lankan water monitor
V. s. andamanensis, Andaman water monitor
V. s. bivittatus, two-striped water monitor, Javan water monitor
V. s. macromaculatus, Southeast Asian water monitor (has albino T+ & T- morphs)
V. s. ziegleri, Ziegler’s water monitor
V. samarensis, Samar water monitor
V. togianus, Togian water monitor
Celebensis water Monitors ( Hypo rec morph)

Recessive:
Hypo
Axanthic
Albino T+
Albino T-
Black dragon
Sulphur

IncDom:
Bell - super bell - Lace monitor

Line bred:
EU Line Yellow - Ackies Monitor …?

[stygianexotics]

I might suggest making black roughneck and green tree monitor subcategories, as those are posted far more than blue tree or dumeril’s.

[lacertilia]

I sent an e-mail and was directed to this thread.

There are several invalid taxons listed here. For ex.,

@eaglereptiles

V. stellatus, West African Nile monitor
V. ornatus, ornate monitor

Dowell et al. 2016. demonstrates Varanus niloticus as a species complex; V. ornatus is no longer a valid taxon, rather a polymorphism of V. niloticus. In the case of V. stellatus, the taxon was never formally elevated to species level and remains only a concept until further evaluated.

In my opinion, it is much more logical to place rock monitor albigularis-complex and mangrove monitor indicus-complex animals into their own subcategories, instead of singling out certain species to their own category, like V. albiguaris microstictus and V. macraei. It does not make sense to have “blue tree monitors” as a singular category when there are other species of tree monitor that are much more common in the trade and actually bred with some regularity, like V. prasinus. This also separates the rest of the group of animals into the “other” category.

Potentially a subgenera level subcategory for the entirety of Odatria.

@eaglereptiles

V. exanthematicus, savannah monitor, Bosc’s monitor (has hypo rec morph)

There are no proven hypo melanistic color morphs of V. exanthematicus.
The occasional albino finds its way into the trade, listed for very high prices and die in a few years without ever reproducing.

@eaglereptiles

Also any hyribs that are know to be both viable and non-viable.

Historically, many. But not very common at all. For ex., crosses between panoptes x flavirufus are infrequently seen and have been bred for many years. Hybrids of any regard are best suited for the ‘other’ subcategory, in my opinion.

And once again, an implantation of proving captive-bred status among a sea of wild-caught specimens laundered under a false label as ‘captive-bred’ would be particularly helpful; especially in the case of species that are seldom bred in the trade. I would not find this necessary for species that are very frequently bred and not legally imported such as ackie monitors. Reporting each ad can ever go so far and having a simple prerequisite of uploading a couple photographs of copulation => nesting => incubation of eggs would be very useful for prospective buyers. Any breeder of monitor lizards will have evidence to show for it and easily so. I know I have. The amount of individuals that unknowingly acquire young monitors and are fooled into a false sense of security that the $50 savannah monitor or nile monitor they’ve bought is ‘captive-bred’ when it is actually a very distressed and internally compromised import is overwhelming.

[lacertilia]

An idea. Just as a start.

This would simply leave V. rudicollis, V. dumerilii, V. salvadorii, V. exanthematicus, V. niloticus, V. spinulosus, V. panoptes (+ hybrids and tricrosses) and all other existing hybrids to the ‘Other’ category.

*Other groups such as the entirety of Philippinosaurus, Psammosaurus, most members of Empagusia (with exceptions of V. rudicollis and V. dumerilii), V. yemensis and several others are not legally exported for live wildlife trade and virtually non-existent in North America (but maybe not Germany and Hong Kong.)

[eaglereptiles]

I can’t thank you enough for this Rowan!

[titoslzr]

lace monitors have bell and super bell but also have normals in dark phase blue phase and yellow phase.