So, here is my 4th set of twins, Lucky 7 (*Know she is a lilly white, but any other tags) and mystery baby Brownie (I think he is a a dalmation spot brindle?) Thoughts? Recommendations?
The LW looks like a partial pinstripe, possibly het emptyback.
The other is a phantom brindle dalmatian with portholes
@autumngeckos Thanks for the reply. I have never heard of phantom brindle dalmation, but now I will research it on MorphMarket to see other examples, because I actually have 2 that look like this. Phantom Brindle Dalmation. Wow. It’s amazing the types of morphs you can get out of two completely different looking parents. I’m guessing the phantom brindle is a recessive type of trait. Question: Can a gecko be lilly white AND A partial pin? I ask because I thought when it was a lilly white you don’t call it pinstripe too? Or are you saying it’s not a lilly white? I think she is going to be a pink lilly white. In reality. Or at least may be wishful thinking. My goal with this pair (Male = Tricolor yellow lilly white) x (Female= Hypo red) was to somehow create pink based lilly whites. I am not sure if it’s possible, but it was my vision.
Morphs in cresties are a bit tricky because they’re polygenic by nature meaning that even the most basic gecko is gonna be carrying at least 3 different traits (base colour + at least one pattern colour + tigering), as opposed to for example ball pythons or leopard geckos where there’s one single-gene “normal”. Often people will only focus on one specific trait and call it that as their morph, so a lilly white can also be a tricolour, a phantom, a dalmatian, or a partial pinstripe, but people might not mention it; especially pinstripe is often overlooked when describing a morph, because it’s so prominent that it isn’t super relevant to mention. On top of that, a lot of LWs are full pinstripes. Your LW is both an LW and a partial pinstripe, and possibly het emptyback. It’s most likely gonna be either dark-based or red-based, how light it is gonna be is difficult to tell at this stage. As for the other one, phantom is a recessive trait that represses the pattern traits, brindle is just a description of a specific tigering look. Some might simply call it a brindle, others might call it a phantom, and some a phantom brindle.
Thanks for taking the time to explain that @autumngeckos It’s most appreciated. I love my cresties! so, at this stage, we can see they are brindle and a dark or red based lilly white. I am excited to see what they look like as they continue to grow. I hear very often on my “round” of “name that gecko” the term “het empty back” - one more question, does that mean they are a potential carrier of the empty back trait? You can tell because of the patterns that are on the dorsal? I am going to also research the Empty back trait to see if it applies as well. I just want to make sure I accurately name them, since I really dont have lineage on both parents. The male was an import from poland and the female, she comes from a breeder who is local and has alot of hypo (very light colored) geckos but that’s all I really know. I can’t wait to select a “holdback” from this pair. I “think” I may choose “Sunny” the yellow lilly from Round 2 of my geckos “name that gecko thread” because her patterning is beautiful and her head structure and crests are fantastic, but I"m not sure what I would breed her to. She truly has the best of both the parents’ genes, but I’m making decisions now that may change that as I learn more about the possible traits she carries by naming the siblings. I like the idea of “super softs” and pink lilly white or some with a mauve purple base, as well as the lavender empty backs. But I guess that would mean a few generations of breeding to get the super soft and lily white gene crossed with the red hypo and empty back traits.
To be “het” or “hetereozygous” something means that they have one copy of the trait (as opposed to “hzg”, “homozygous”, or sometimes “super” which means they have two copies), “pos” is short for possible which, as the word implies, means that they have some visual markers that points towards them having one copy of the trait, but it is not certain whether they have it or not. Het EB isn’t always that obvious in LWs, but the line of lacking pattern on the dorsal that is more evident near the tail root is a marker. On some LWs het EB simply shows as a line of dots down the center of the dorsal, IIRC the dad has that, so they might have gotten it from him. The way to prove them out is to pair them with another het, or even better, super EB; if any of the offspring are super EBs then both parents must have the trait.
@autumngeckos Awesome tips! Thank you! Another thought I haven’t even considered - Empty Back / Het Empty Back. I have another couple of eggs in the container, so as I keep going on these rounds, I will add them when they are hatching in September. All of my eggs hatch around 100-105 days.
Tricolour lillywhite and phantom tiger Dalmatian x