Hey all!
I’ve got a pretty good idea of what I think each of these are but thought I would get the collective opinion of those of you that are good with identifying these combos. Most of my experience thus far with these genes are with them tied to various visual recessives.
Pairing was ODYB Leo Enchi Pied x Ultramel
9 egg clutch
Group:
Animal 1
Animal 2
Animal 3
Animal 4
Animal 5
Animal 6
Animal 7
Animal 8
Animal 9
Would love to hear your opinions, thanks!
This is what I believe they are:
Very nice clutch!
Thanks a bunch for sharing your opinion on these!
We’re mostly in agreement.
Regarding 7 vs 9. You’re thinking they’re both OD Leo but with 7 having YB as well. But 9 has significantly more base color than 7. Does YB take away color like that in an OD Leo combo? If so it behaves quite differently in pied/clown combos!
I had 4 marked as a normal. It doesn’t seem like there’s enough flaming to positively ID YB to me, maybe I’m wrong. Perhaps I need to get a good look at its belly. I’m surprised you didn’t label that one as pos. YB or normal though. Are you seeing something I’m not there?
Other than that your analysis is lining up with mine spot on. Thanks again for taking the time to share your opinion.
TBH, I labeled #4 as YB because I didn’t think you would have put a normal in. The pattern is manipulated but perhaps that is the het influences. The headstamp looks the same as the other animals I think have YB present without OD. Belly pics would be helpful for all of them but especially #4.
If you look at 7, 8, and 9. the pattern is really clean. They’re neither dark, nor dirty (see 5 & 6). That is indicative of OD. I am comfortable all three have that. The pattern is manipulated enough that I believe Leo is present in all three as well. That leaves Enchi and YB. #7 just doesn’t appear to have enchi but if you compare #1 and #7 you can see a much brighter animal in #7. So if #1 is correct, then #7 can’t be the same. That is why I believe it is OD YB and Leo. So what is different about #9? Well it doesn’t look as clean as #8, so I don’t think it is enchi. Also the headstamp on 9 just looks like a straight up OD or Leo type headstamp. They are almost the same in both genes, but OD is brighter. I would expect if YB or Enchi were present, it would mute it more instead of being so sharp and crisp. Anyways, that is my thought process. It really is mostly a process of elimination. Am I infallible? Nope! Just ask my wife.
Your thought process makes perfect sense to me. I threw #4 in there to include the entire clutch. We don’t discriminate against normals or YB’s in this household 
. Thanks again for your input!
Hey @t_h_wyman , any way I could get your take on these?
I’m with you on that. All BPs are created from a normal first. Then genes are added on top. They deserve love like everybody else. I put the normal in my thread as well, but many people don’t. Sorry for my presumptuousness and good on you for including it.
I have 3 wild type normals and they are the sweetest most even tempered and best eaters I have!
The more I look at these I’m starting to second guess myself. Looking back at a leopard enchi clutch I had before a couple of these look very similar to leopard enchis I have produced.
I’m really thinking 1 and 7 are actually enchi. Both being Leo Enchi YB.
Compare 1 and 7 side by side:
The differences in body color is slight enough that I think it’s just variation between individuals and not OD. Take note of the wide eye stripes and banding that seems to be more prevalent in the enchi leo combo.
Here’s a photo comparing an enchi, leo enchi, and leopard that I took of a clutch a couple seasons back for reference:
Whatcha think @graysnake ?
I think you may be correct. Here is a link to a page where I queried Leo YB Enchi Het Pied only. A couple of them were produced by Super Leo and Super Enchi so Enchi has to be present. If I were you, I would run a few shed tests and then you could take another comparative picture with YB present too.
I will have to come back to these as I do not have the time at the moment to sit and pick them apart
Thank you Travis.
Love the different variety you got. Those are some awesome babies!
Okay, have a brief moment or three before I call it a day
I believe the animals are as follows:
Thanks for your analysis Travis.
The only one’s I’m not sure I agree with you are animals 1 and 5, which I think are both enchi. Less confident in 5 though.
Between your thoughts, Greysnake’s, and my own I think I have a good idea what each of these are at this point. Thanks again!
I could maybe see 1 having Enchi, but that animal has more jagged look around the pattern edges and I would expect Enchi to smooth that out more
Animal 5 does not have the eye-stripe or eye colour that speak Enchi to me
Makes sense. I appreciate you explaining your thought process on those. The two in question are females I’m holding back and proving out the old fashioned way so we’ll see in a few years. Thanks again for your input.
I am not a ball Python guy, but I do like number 8 the best, and number 9 is a close second. Congratulations on the new babies.
Those 2 and kinda hard not to like but all of them are keepers!
Thanks Tom! Very kind of you.
Thanks! I’m keeping all the females at the very least 
. I’d like to get a visual OD ultra pied male for these girls next season to shoot for some super OD ultra pied combos.
Well good luck to you and I think you are definitely rolling swiftly on the right track!!!
