Hay so I am getting a black pewter pied to pair with my black pewter pied female, I want to try for some pandas, should I try and see if they produce non kinked babys. If the do end up not kinked does that mean their baby’s will be the same. This is one of my favorite combos but I have have heard stuff about deformities I would like some advice.
There is a know, high risk for this pairing to produce kinked, duckbilled, or otherwise deformed babies (ever seen a snake where half the skin is missing from the front of the face??). The risk is also present with BlkPastel x Cinny and Cinny x Cinny as well. There is not way to reduce the risk, so do not believe any garbage you may see floating around elsewhere on the internet. There are no “non-kinking” lines either
Brutal honesty, your time would be better spent pursuing a different project that can produce similar appearance, like Mahogany/SuMa combos or BH combos or the like. You could also go for other alleles in the complex that do not run the risk of deformities (Huffman, HRA, etc)
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I already have a black pewter female is there anything else that I can pair that will give a similar result.
Lori Barczyk said on a vlog fairly recently that Super Lori seems ‘weak’ and has had bad fertility and iirc kinks as well. So maybe not Lori in the complex.
This is absolutely true.
Urban Camo was a dream project of mine. I did so much research and made sure every animal was unrelated as possible. Asked about what successful breeders have done. But there’s also the dark side of the hobby where people don’t like to say things about the issues. So who knows how many fails happened to get the wins.
I have tried multiple pairings at the ‘low and slow’ temps for incubation. I’ve also tried not handling or candling the eggs at all after putting them in the egg box.
The results were TERRIBLE. Only 1 in 5 different pairings produced a single healthy Blk pastel Cinny. The 2nd has a nasty kink, and while moving about well, they may not be able to digest when I get a first meal in them.
I have had only 1 other clutch that still produced very kinked hatchlings but had normal faces. The rest were unrecognizable as BPs (one was like a cyclops with a short upper jaw) and badly kinked.
I would try cinny or Blk pastel super mahogany to get the best look. But even some of the single gene Suma Pieds will look dark with cinny or Blk pastel like a high white panda pied
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Do you know where I could find a super mahogany for a similar price to a black pewter, I really want to make a panda, but I down want deformities.
You’re just going to have to shop around, but it’s worth investing in high quality animals to give you the best chances of producing healthy offspring.
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Quality in, quality out~
Mahogany is a much more uncommon gene than black pastel. Pewters are extremely common and the prices reflect that.
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I originally thought about posting this here but held off initially. However now you have said more than a few things that pop up as personal red flags for me so I am throwing it in here
Likely to be an unpopular opinion for you but… Entirely too much of this hobby seems to run on the MLM mindset that you HAVE to breed to be a “real” keeper and this just encourages people to breed without putting real thought into it
My strong recommendation to you would be to become significantly more versed on what it is you really want to make for yourself, what combos you could make to get there, and how to properly identify everything you make. After that, think about how you are going to to care for all of the babies you produce, how you will house them, how you will feed them, and how you will get rid of all the ones that you do not want to keep (and “I will just put them on MM and they will sell no problem” is not the correct answer)
I am not saying all of this to be a jerk. This is coming from my multiple decades of being in this hobby. I also freely admit that I do breed some of my animals. However, I have answered all these questions for myself and I know my limits and my boundaries. The way you have phrased a few things in your post makes me feel like you have not really put that same thought into the matter
There is absolutely nothing wrong with going slow and taking your time. Learn your animals. Learn more about morphs and combos. Become a ‘student of the serpent’. After that, then think about whether or not you want (or need) to breed
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I have done more research and I have decided to go down the mahogany route, I have breed before and I know what I’m doing it’s just I’m not well versed in that gene I totally understand your points but I have been keeping for years and breed many snakes before.
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