Phantom Pied Vs Super Phantom Retic

I am having trouble identifying the difference between a Super Phantom Retic and a phantom Pied retic. How do you tell the difference between the two. The various listings on MorphMarket have not been of much help.

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From my understanding:
Phantom Pied will have red eyes.
Super Phantom will have blue eyes.

From what I understand, the pied and phantom gene can also interact and commonly give the retic smaller eyes as well.
If there are other genes mixed in with the pied phantoms the eyes may not always be red.

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So to make matters even more complicated… My boy who is a Phantom pied has small eyes but they are bluish gray

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Do you know what the parent pairing was?

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Phantom Het Pied x. Motley Pied

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Hmm. I don’t know how motley would affect the phantom pied. But I know with BEL ball pythons a darkening gene like cinnamon can make the eyes look somewhat normal. Maybe something like that is going on with yours.

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Wish there was a way to gene test retics

Hopefully soon :crossed_fingers:
I know BP breeders are the biggest contributors but @rgi are branching out into other species as of late.

I have a bunch of Boas and I would love to send in sheds if that would help them.

Pretty sure they are always accepting donations as long as you know the genetics.

Boas yes… I mostly deal with locality stuff so that ought to be easy… All the others are simple commonly known genes. So it will help build a base.

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Do you have pictures? I might be able to help with that.

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I am gonna have to take some close-up pics of him and I am pretty sure he is blind.

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Oh no! Are you sure it’s not a light sensitivity? I know a few of my light colored albino animals are super sensitive about it.

I also just have seen some snakes be absolutely incapable of striking prey regardless of eye color/morph. I just tell them they’re lucky they live here and not whatever location they originated from.

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