I agree! She’s one of my favorite peppermints I’ve seen. Some of them go very white, which is still pretty in its own way, but I really like her crisp red and white. Thank you!
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New pictures of Vale, (likely) caramel cinder, low expression bantam. She’s 87 grams now and about a year old. She has a slightly velvety feel and feels very strong. She also has this slightly greenish tint that’s hard to capture with the camera, which makes me think she probably is caramel cinder and not just cinder. She hasn’t developed any of the red or pink tones that a cinder typically gets.
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She is really nice Olivia! Your nails are very nice too! The only nice nails that I’ve ever had were the fake ones! 
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I’ve had a couple of Caramels with a greenish tint in natural light. Maybe that’s the Caramel showing? No idea how that plays with Cinder, though. Radish is my only visual Cinder (so far Lol).
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Question for anyone here that might know, but I’m curious about the range of the Bantam phenotype but the idea of this being a type of dwarfism. I’m also pretty sure this is not the OG bantam thread, so if you want me to move this there I totally can.
As far as I know, different types of dwarfism in humans are either dominant or recessive, and you either are born with dwarfism or not.
Does dwarfism in animals follow a more co-dominant expression so there would be such a wide range based on severity (not the word I want, but closest I can think of rn) of the inherited genes?
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It hasn’t been established that Bantams are genetic dwarfs of the types seen in mammals. I don’t believe ANY non-insular, single-mutation dwarfs have occurred in any species of snake. That fact and the variability of expression make me wonder if it’s a unique sort of mutation. 
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Oh whoops I totally merged you saying that it leaning more towards dwarfism and not spinal collapse meant it was confirmed dwarfism, when the important part was the healthy spine.
Totally excited to see where the project goes!
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Achondroplasia is the most common form of dwarfism in vertebrates. It results in a long torso, shortened limbs, and enlarged head. (Think Peter Dinklage.) These snakes have no limbs to evaluate, and heads and tails seem normal, and it’s the “torso” that seems shortened. So Bantam seems unlikely to be this form of dwarfism.
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Well, @deanaii twisted my arm into taking three of his babies this year, despite my desire for only one! Don’t ever let him know what other snakes you have in your collection, or he’ll upsell you on future pairings! 
Anyway, so here they are:
Miso, shatter stripe. He’s been pretty picky about eating, so I’ll have to work with him a bit:
And then these two are great eaters. You can see how they’re about double his size. I still have to decide on names for these ones.
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Hahaha. I was only looking out for YOUR best interests! They look great in the AZ sun.
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They do look great in the Arizona sun! Pretty babies, I know you’ll do great things with them down the road!
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Oh wow! From hatching at 3.2 grams 10 weeks ago and never taking a voluntary meal, surviving off of mouse tails, pinkie heads, and tube feeding raw egg and critical care, (along with trying every trick in the book to entice her), Rave took her first voluntary meal tonight and it was just a regular thawed pinkie with no tricks! I’m amazed. She’s up to 5.2 grams, which doesn’t sound like a lot, but it’s been hard-won progress! I’m so excited for her.
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So awesome. What a crazy looking corn!
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Yay! Doing the wave for Rave! 
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That’s terrific!!! Congratulations for hanging in there and getting Rave feeding! When they take that first voluntary meal, it is one of the best feelings in the world. She is such a cool looking little thing, too. Yayy!!!
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I feel like I haven’t photographed non-babies in forever!
So here’s Vale, low expression Bantam, cinder, probably caramel as well. She has a greenish tint that’s hard to get on camera, but absolutely no reddish tones that cinder usually gets, so I’m reasonably sure she’s caramel. Eventually I’ll pair her to something that’s caramel and not cinder to find out for sure. But anyway, here she is, doing really well! Great eater, lovely to handle. She has a slight velvety feel.
And then here’s Dawn. I’m hoping she will breed this year for me. She’s an anery het scaleless and I can’t wait to have my own scaleless baby!
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We might get wrinkly babies this year?! YESSS
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That greenish tint makes me think Caramel, for sure. Admittedly I’ve got no in-person experience with growing Cinders (the lovely Radish from you is my first), but the only morphs in which I’ve seen green are Caramel morphs. I have seen it there quite a bit in certain lines.
Best of luck with Dawn and possible babies this season!
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They are lovely Olivia! I’m especially partial to the bantams! 
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Just realized I never posted this girl. She’s my foster for my friend who runs a tortoise rescue (they’re not really set up to take in snakes, so I volunteered to take her). So she’s staying with me for a bit while she works on losing some weight and then she’ll hopefully find a nice home. She’s a very sweet girl! And pretty, too! This is Ruby, cayenne fire.
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