What a beauty Eric!
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I cant tell you why i fell in love with Northern Pines and Black Pines, but i did…Maybe for the same reason i like spicy food haha. I primarily breed ball pythons, but ever since i learned of pines, i needed to have them. At this point, i have 2 baby female Northerns. One is normal one is albino. I also have a deposit on some yet to be hatched breeding pair of black pines and a male albino northern. The 2 i have are very spicy girls. the normal is calming down some where i can handle her without being bitten, but the albino is clinically insane and its a good thing she isnt venomous! All things considered, i love these girls and i think its cute when they put on a little defensive show. They act so tough, but theyre just scared little babies. The wife hates them with a passion though lol she likes calm nice ball pythons, which i dont blame her.
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Hah! Similar situation here. My wife hates my black pines. My male is a bit of jerk but the female is really easy going. She just associates the female as the devil because of the male. She likes my boas much more than my pituophis because they are calmer and easier to handle.
Beautiful Northerns you have there! I can’t own them in NC w/o a permit so I have the other melanoleucus and ruthveni.
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So beautiful!
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Here are some recent pics of my albino and het albino pair of FL pines.
Male het Albino
Female Albino
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@eorr53 Sorry to hear you cant have them in NC. i used to live in NC a few years ago when i was stationed at Camp Lejeune. At least you can still have some pines!
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I went down the rabbit hole of pine snakes and discovered a new Pokémon I have to have. Anyone ever see a piebald black pine? From what I gathered, they were bred more about 20 years ago and have become scarce since. I have two leads on breeders who still produce them. They aren’t the most amazing piebald species ever, but definitely something that should be appreciated more. Attached pictures are found on the internet and are not typical examples of a black pine. They are more extraordinary examples of high white ones.
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Love that look!
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That is downright gorgeous. I love northern pines but can’t have them in Georgia. I had no idea that black pines came in piebald.
Edit to add: I love how this one has a “mask” over its eyes. Really beautiful animal
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I didnt either until i came across one on MM that said it was pos het pied. normal ones just have a white belly and white ring around their neck. Otherwise they are still mostly black. Honestly kind of underwhelming, but still cool.
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The pied black pines are cool since pied hasn’t popped up in any other Pituophis (at least to my knowledge). Whiteside bull snakes sometimes have pied looking spots on their heads but I think that has more to do with overall pigment reduction caused by the whiteside gene. Pied in any snake isn’t really my cup of tea but I can appreciate the uniqueness of these pine snakes.
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I really like these ones that look like whiteside. It seems that most of the pied black pines just have a white belly and white ring around the neck/head. I have a picture from Jay Jacoby of a normal looking one, but i dont want to post it here without permission.
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No worries. I’ve seen Jay’s on his FB and IG.
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A few updated pics of my male het albino and female albino florida pines. The color coming in on the male is superb. He has pinks, purples, even orange on his face and rusty red in his tail.
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That’s one gorgeous animal Eric!
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They are both gorgeous but that male is something else. He looks to have this peachy “haze” and it’s so pretty.
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@caron Thank you! I really enjoy both of them. Very easy to work with also.
@ghsaltie Thank you! He really is something else. He’s changed so much already and he’s not even a year old yet. I can’t wait to see what he looks like at this time next year.
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I’m still very new to the prospect of breeding pine snakes. I have only this year begun collecting breeding pairs of different lines and traits. One thing I can’t find any info on is how hard it is to sell the offspring when I finally do get babies. I do prefer to sell online, although in the coming years I will have so much to sell across all the species I breed that I may begin vending shows. that being said, pine snakes aren’t the best beginner snake, so what challenges do you face selling them? what kind of people do you recommend/not recommend them to? Are there certain locals or subspecies you find sell better than others? I do plan to produce Louisiana pines and black pines here in PA so those may be even harder to move given the restrictions on moving them across state lines!
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Merry Christmas Everyone!
Lets talk about some of the more rare and obscure Pine Snakes. I posted a while back about pied black pines. I know about patternless northern pines, red phase or “Lemke line” pines, and rare species like the Louisiana pine, Kentucky pines, ect. Does anyone know of some other unknown or lesser known mutations or lineages? Picture is my female Louisiana pine. She’s a very good girl…most of the time lol
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The Kentucky Pines are not a separate species but a locality of P. m. melanoleucus. Super rare locality, yes, but they are classified as Northern Pines at this time.
Hoke Co., NC is another line of locality Northern Pines that are available in the hobby but not seen often.
There are also Aiken Co., SC pines that pretty rare. These are an intergrade of melanoleucus and mugitis.
The last one I am aware of are the Escambia Co, FL pines. These are an intergrade of mugitis and lodingi.
There are populations of melanoleucus in TN and AL but I’m not aware of anyone that has animals from these locales in the hobby.
Nice ruthveni. What’s the lineage on her?
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