Possibility of a black night tangerine cross?

jujumaster · May 25, 2025, 9:17pm

Sorry this is the only picture I have

But as you can see its ID is Tangerine het Tremper Poss Het Blanco, but it is heavily spotted, similar to what black night tangerine crosses look like. For example this

with an ID of Black Night Blood Cross Poss Het Tremper, Eclipse, Blizzard

So if I were to get this gecko(1st pic), selective breeding for a couple of generations should let me somehow achieve this

which has an id of Black Night Mandarin Tangerine NDBE.

armiyana · May 25, 2025, 9:37pm

Well…If you wanted to start a new line from scratch and keep linebreeding for your preferences. The downside is that without having a different looking animal or a large presence in the top breeding circles you may not see much interest in it.

Since the first animal is not listed as a black night cross, it is not from black night lines. There’s not a history of animals being specifically bred for a dark melanistic animal.

As far as the Black Night Mandarin Tangerine NDBE…
Your animal would not be from mandarin lines since that is another line bred trait. They would not be carrying the recessive gene NCBE either. NDBE and Eclipse are not the same, and it assumes that animal is actually het for eclipse which it may not be.
Unless you are breeding to an animal from Black night lines like this one it’s just more dilution of the genes that you would need to reverse.

jujumaster · May 27, 2025, 5:30pm

Thanks for the response, what I meant is I somehow possibly produce a visually similar offspring with the "Black Night Mandarin Tangerine NDBE’ after a couple of generation of selective breeding of the 1st picture. The 2nd pic is an example I used of it being a black night blood cross, which looks really similar with the 1st pic, which was just plain ol tangerine, considering that he really has a lot of spots than the typical tangerine you would see in the market nowadays. So by paper, If I pair him with similar looking geckoes, no matter if they come from black night lineage or not, years of selective breeding of the most hypermelanistic offsprings, would make me achieve a blackish with a hint of orange geckoes? Is that right?

armiyana · May 27, 2025, 5:36pm

Yes. If your goal is something like a black night you would need to continue breeding the darkest to the darkest.

jujumaster · May 27, 2025, 5:40pm

Sorry If my response was ignorant. I know lineage plays a big part in this, but a local breeder, an acquaintance of mine, gave me a tip in regards to lineage and such, he told me that I should not focus on lineage and the ID, but just by looking at the gecko itself, if you want to pass that visual pattern, and continue to improve it. I personally would like to work on a project by starting my own line from scratch. Much thanks for the response.

jujumaster · May 27, 2025, 5:46pm

Thanks, this is what inspired me on making something new on tangerine lines.

I previously posted this, and this was just blood, no black night cross. So I’m trying to achieve this also, and also try to create a black night looking gecko with an orange undertone. Thank you so much for the response.

armiyana · May 27, 2025, 5:57pm

Your local breeder is correct. That is what you want to do.

You just don’t want to call them by lineage names. Many people do, but that’s not correct and they try to use it for the extra $$ attached.
RAPTOr is a good example of this. They are supposed to be patternless (super hypo). People sell spotted albinos all the time as RAPTOr now because it was the popular quick money maker at the time.

You can always work and cross out the lineage animals into your own work. Just call them something like ‘My dark tangerine project’ and not Blood or Black Night project.

I apologize if any of my previous comments made it confusing. It’s just an attempt to keep new breeders from falling into that trap of false labels.