Then you’ll be disappointed with the Lesser Mojave.
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Great this is exactly what I’m interested in. I want a snake that is pure white as can be with blue eyes but healthy and genetically sound as possible.
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If you really want a stark white snake then skip the BluEL group and got for the BlkEL group instead.
While the BluELs will hatch out pretty white, ALL BluELs, regardless of combination, yellow out as they age and end up looking more cream-coloured. Whereas the all-white BlkELs stay stark white as they age. I say this from personal experience having worked with three of the four “white” snake groups (I have not had an all-white Pied in my collection but from my communications with other breeders I suspect they would compare to the all-white BlkELs in staying power)
I won’t profess to have worked with all combinations, and I guess it depends on what the OP’s idea of what “white enough” is. But just a quick glance, using the filters for this site, at the adult BELS (Mojave Lesser combos only) the vast majority look pretty white still including one that was a 2011 which Sold in 2017 and was 2500 grams. That is still a 6 year old snake which is mature and 2500 grams is pretty large size.
White like milk without other colors coming through, nice ‘thick’ white, not ivory or greyish. What is a BlkEL? What do I type in when I search for one? Yes, pure white into adulthood is what I’m looking for, as long as she is healthy.
It is not true that pairing any two of the above genes will give you a leucistic. Disco or Vanilla will not give you a white snake no matter what you breed it to. Nor will the Daddy gene. Mojave x Mystic/Phantom = not white, as well as Mojave x Special, Mystic/Phantom x Special and Mystic/Phantom x Mystic/Phantom.
There is a difference between what you see in pictures and what you see when they are in your actual hands. I had a 2100g Hypo Lesser/Mojave (which is a double dose of de-pigmentation) and she had a distinctly visible stripe on her dorsal and when I put her side-by-side with my all-white 1800g SuperFire (probably Pastel, possible SuperPastel, possible YB) she looked dingy by comparison. I also had a three year proven Ivory Butter OD Pastel and he was white as well, but he was not WHITE. The SuperFire was stark, shock WHITE to the point of almost being translucent.
So it sounds like I want the improbable, not impossible, but not so common. And babies change so I’d have to get an adult it sounds like if I want to know that i’ll be getting a truely ‘white’ snake.
I do not know that it is improbable, you just may have t ask around a bit rather than waiting for one to fall in your lap
And there is nothing stopping you from buying a hatchling and growing it up. I just believe it is best to go in with your eyes open on potential outcomes. I have seen/heard too many stories of people feeling disillusioned that the baby they purchased from a breeder that swore the animal would turn out one way only come to find out that the animal turned out differently. If you know that it is possible for any BluEL, regardless of the morphs that were used to make it, to develop a stripe and a yellowish tinge, then it does not surprise you when/if it happens
Well I wouldn’t get rid of it just because it had a yellowish stripe as an adult for sure! I can ask the breeders too since they know their own snakes and any experienced one can tell me what to expect from what they produce as well. I don’t NEED a white snake, there are tons of other great morphs too.
You might think that, but I know of one breeder that sells his line of BluELs telling people that they stay pristine white and never develop a dorsal stripe when it is well known that the supers from his line almost always develop a stripe
Get all four types of white snake… Then you can figure out which one you really like the best
If black eyed Lucy’s are an option for you. I would recommend that you go with a super fire. I have noticed that super fires in general are pristinely white even adulthood. I hope whatever you go with irregardless, that you’re happy with it, and enjoy a new scale baby
As a nice coincidence, there is currently a Lesser/Mojave for sale on MorphMarket right now that has a ringer. This perfectly exemplifies the difference in what it means for something to be white versus WHITE.The colour flanking the sides of the ringer is the not quite white of a BluEL while the ringer itself is the absolute white that you see in all-white BlkELs (and, as has been described to me, all-white Pieds).
See the white on this snake Snake photography And I’m referring to the black and whilte snake Osbourne reptiles that has the all black head. The white on his/her body is exactly what i like, it looks like milk. I’ts not transparent, just really clean white. I woudln’t mind that snake but I’m sure it’s not for sale
That animal is a Pied (Pied SuMa if memory serves me) The white on his animal is the same as the white ringer in the above animal. So I would advocate a high-/all-white Pied or a high-/all-white Black-Eyed Leucistic