Yes, just a little bit bigger than a corn.
The green anaconda I just threw in for fun but he did say the length of a corn and I have heard of some really large corns getting over 6 feet so the blood python could work as they only get to 5 feet for a large one
I think someone also mentioned the BRB? If so they are tons bigger than a corn and sometimes a tad feisty At least Nod is!
That’s true, going by length, bloods and corns are actually pretty similar. If anything, corns probably average a bit longer. Bloods are just much, much heavier and girthier, and are also waaaay stronger.
But @guppyguy, if your daughter might be interested in heavy-bodied pythons, the short tailed python species (blood pythons, Borneo short tailed pythons, and Sumatran short tailed pythons) would be a great avenue to explore. They have been worked with a fair amount, but I feel like there’s probably still a lot more to discover with them and their various mutations. And they’re beautiful, both morphs and wild-types. Lots of variation in colour and pattern. They’re not overly long (4-5’ average, large females may hit 6’), but they’re extremely thick and heavy-bodied, so it’s like having a snake with the girth of a giant constrictor in a much more manageable length. Personally, they’re my favourite snakes. I have a female blood who is an absolute doll, I completely adore her. Only reason I didn’t initially suggest them was that I was under the impression your daughter was mainly interested in colubrids, and STPs look nothing like a colubrid.
Corn Snakes are a no brainer with all the different morphs, along with kingsnakes. I would (and am myself) looking into hybrids. Some of the mixes of corns, kings and milks are pretty amazing.
Welcome to the forum @mykl! I can’t agree with you more! We would love to see what you decide to work with on future projects!
And just so ya know, we all love pictures and lots of them!
I said all suggestions welcome.
You are correct in your assumption, but you never know what the far future holds.
I love looking at the hybrids. Some of them are really beautiful and have patterns no pure bred snake has!
In fact, I’m extremely tempted to play with that in the future.
Having said that, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding hybrids that I would like to sheild her from with her first experiences. I want her to have success and good vibes starting.
This is totally fair, but I think as long as you are super clear and up front about your offspring being hybrids, it reduces the risk of that. I think (from what I’ve seen) a lot of the issues around hybrids come from hidden info (although to be fair, you can’t control that the next owner would be up front about it, which is out of your control)
Long post warning
Just an update on what my daughter decided to go with currently.
We bought some baby Texas Long-Nosed Snakes.
They have the colors and patterns that can be worked with, along with natural variations that may be able to be stabilized.
There is little information out there on them, other than information that seems to be stolen on the internet from article to article.
And it was hard us to find any sellers of these!
When we did find the very few sellers, the Long-Nosed were always wild caught.
After finding this out, she let me know (in no uncertain terms) one of her main missions now is to make these captive bred, so less of these wild snakes are taken from the wild.
She feels very strongly that if we can breed these and put these into the hands of hobbyists, it is a win-win for both nature and the snake community.
Yeah. That’s my gal.
So, impressed with her goals and ethics, I have 2.2 babies coming in supposedly around 12” ea.
Now, I’m no dummy. As much as I want her to succeed, I know failure can be high with wc. Plus the little knowledge out there about breeding them, and conflicting info on their care and diet… well, let’s just say we’re studying like college students. Heh
I also know from experience that challenges are undertaken much better with successes pushing you forward!
So, I bought an adult male black house snake. Beautiful guy. I’m looking for an adult black female near breeding age. If anyone knows of any, I’d very much appreciate the tip!
I think green anaconda would have been better.
In all seriousness, how did you come across them? they are very interesting looking. And don’t worry, you already have a customer once they breed for you.
Long nosed snakes are very cool! I’ve never really looked into owning them, but now I’ll have to do a little reading.
We came across them totally by accident looking up colubrids.
The moment she saw them she was interested.
When she saw most if not all were wc, I think that made her set her jaw, grind in her heels, and lit the fire of the eco side of her.
I appreciate you, and will tell her you may be interested in offspring in the future. She will be so pumped knowing she could help others have cb instead of wc!
It’s crazy how articles at first look factual, then you realize they only “borrowed” info from here or there!
Like, you instinctively know there’s wrong info since some conflicts, but which is which?
She is very determined though!
If something doesn’t work, I fully believe she’ll try again and again!
We may have to write our own info we’ve had through experience in a few years.
Very cool! I love long-nosed snakes, they’re super cute and have beautiful colours. From what little I know about them, it seems that they’re generally pretty docile and hardy, and combined with their small size, they could be very appealing to a wide range of keepers. In other words, nice choice! I think that’s a great species to try to breed. I can see them becoming popular if captive breeding can increase their availability. Wishing you and your daughter much success!
House snakes are awesome too. I demand pictures once everybody arrives!
Wow, mad respect for your daughter! It’s a good cause, to try and provide an alternative to live caught. I just looked up texas longnoses and boy, their patterning is lovely – the way the patterns break up along the sides and are so dense on top is such a cool visual efffect. All the best to both of you.
Also congrats on your AHS!! They’re great little guys! A heads up – not from experience, but from talking to breeders – black house snake babies can be a bit challenging to get eating, so brush up on your tiny baby feeding techniques ahead of time. There is a ton of good advice to that end on this forum, so you and your daughter have a resource there. I hear they’re extremely easy to get breeding, though, so I bet you’ll have no problem getting eggs.
As for breeders, April Linkfield of House Snake Morphs & More is who I got my AHS from. She does some interesting breeding projects with AHS so she has a lot of variety. I don’t think she has any black AHS up right now, but she regularly puts up new stuff so it’s worth reaching out to her. I’ve also heard good things about Bushveld Reptiles, and I’d recommend Laurelborn Serpentry except I don’t think they’re working with black AHS at the moment. (Still worth looking at. Their hybino boaedon capensis are gorgeous.)
Best of luck! This is so cool! I wish I’d been able to try my hand at keeping with my dad’s help when I was younger!
I just would like to add that when you get them on frozen thawed rodents instead of lizards (I have no doubt that your daughter will be able to with that attitude) I would make sure to spread out their feeding more than you would with a lizard as rodents are much more fatty than lizards and if they get fed rodents too frequently than it can lead to fatty livers. I would also feed smaller than you would with similarly sized snakes for the same reasons as above and because lizards are much more streamline than similarly sized rodents. I would feed rodents about every two weeks personally.
I would also highly recommend starting a large mourning gecko enclosure. I would set up a large 36x18x36 exo terra and make sure it is escape proof (clints reptiles has a video that he touches on it). then I would let them reproduce like crazy so when you have babies, you won’t have to worry about not having small enough or not being able to find enough lizards. I would also grow them up for a couple months on lizards before switching to get them bigger as you can feed lizards more frequently when they are young than you would be able to with rodents.
Glad to hear your daughter found a fascinating species of snake to work with. It looks like she’s got her work cut out for her but as they say, “Nothing ventured nothing gained!”
Btw, she needs to start thinking about a name and logo for her MM store. How old is she anyway? You might have said in a previous post but I am too lazy to look!
Congratulations on the new house snake too! All kinds of good things for you as well as your daughter!
Awesome to hear you have L-N too!
Any tips you’ve found along the way?