What snake would work? Help?

So much good info in your post! Thank you for taking your time for recommending people!

I was just looking at her AHS site yesterday. Such a nice source of information.

It seems hybrids of even same species are frowned upon often, but interbreeding between house snakes is accepted? :man_shrugging:

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Excellent information. This is why I like seeing info from real keepers, instead of articles that just recycle information that writers know nothing about!

Thanks. :+1:

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We appreciate the good wishes! :heart:

I also love how warmly your community has accepted us. :pray: Thank you!

She has already decided on her store name:

The Noodle Farm

Yeah, we’re a bit crazy- but in a fun way! :rofl:

Oh! She’s 15 going on 16 this month! :heart:

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Does anywhere sell frozen lizards?

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I honestly don’t know but maybe some of the frozen rodent sellers have lizards. Or maybe the Reptilinks place has some. That’s the problem with snakes that eat lizards. Finding the lizards……:thinking:

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Well happy birthday to your daughter! I like the store name she chose as well. You guys really do have things lined out! You two are blessed to have each other! :pray::heart:

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May indeed have to go the link route if needed. :+1:

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I would absolutely be nothing without my kids!

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Funny thing is, I know absolutely nothing about long nose snakes besides that they are considered a more advanced species to keep. I just going off what I know about other lizard eating species.

One way I have heard some people research uncommon species is through AI. Definitely shouldn’t be your main source but here is what I got-

“ Texas long-nose snakes, also known as Rhinocheilus lecontei tessellatus, thrive in arid environments. Provide a spacious terrarium with a substrate like cypress mulch for burrowing. Maintain a temperature gradient of 75-85°F, with a basking spot at 90°F. Use a UVB light for proper calcium metabolism. Feed them a diet of appropriately sized rodents every 7-10 days, adjusting based on age. Keep a shallow water dish for hydration, ensuring it’s cleaned regularly. Regular health checks are crucial; watch for signs of illness and consult a vet if needed. Enrich their environment with hides, branches, and rocks. Handle with care, as these snakes can be defensive. Regularly clean and disinfect the enclosure to maintain a healthy living space. It’s essential to monitor humidity levels, aiming for a range of 30-40%. This helps prevent respiratory issues. Use a hygrometer to measure humidity accurately and adjust as needed. Texas long-nose snakes are nocturnal, so provide a hiding spot for daytime refuge. Consider a heat pad or tape under the enclosure to ensure belly heat for proper digestion. As opportunistic burrowers, create a substrate layer deep enough for them to exhibit natural behaviors. Avoid cedar substrates, as the oils can be harmful.

Regularly inspect your snake for shedding, as incomplete sheds can lead to complications. Offer a humidity boost during shedding periods to facilitate the process. Texas long-nose snakes are known for their inquisitive nature, but be cautious during handling, as they may become defensive. Always support their body to minimize stress.

Keep an eye on waste removal, promptly cleaning any soiled substrate. Monitor weight and adjust feeding accordingly, as obesity can be a concern. Finally, stay informed about any advancements in care practices and consult with a reptile veterinarian for personalized guidance on your snake’s well-being. Enhance the environmental enrichment by incorporating branches and climbing structures, as Texas long-nose snakes may explore vertical spaces. Utilize a secure lid for the enclosure, as they are known escape artists. Maintain a consistent day-night cycle, mimicking their natural habitat.

Regularly observe their behavior for any changes, such as lethargy or excessive hiding, which may indicate stress or health issues. Document feeding schedules and shedding patterns to identify any deviations over time.

Incorporate variety into their diet by occasionally offering different prey items like chicks or quail eggs. Ensure prey items are appropriately sized, not exceeding the snake’s girth. Always use tongs during feeding to minimize the risk of accidental bites.

Consider setting up a separate quarantine enclosure for new acquisitions before introducing them to existing reptiles to prevent the potential spread of diseases. Stay informed about local regulations regarding captive reptiles and ensure compliance.

Remember, each snake is unique, so tailor care practices based on individual preferences and responses. Regularly interact with your snake to foster trust and minimize stress during handling.”

I was surprised with how… great this seems. Definitely not perfect but seems pretty good.

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Also you need to tell your daughter to get on here lol!

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LMAO!!! Easier said than done for her.

Think the shyest wall-flower you know and then multiply that!

Both she and I are painfully shy introverts. Difference is that I’ve had 50-60 years to learn how to interact with people (if I need to) in a social setting. She is still learning how to put on her “mask.” :sunglasses:

Yep. That even covers texting in chat rooms and forums. Heh

So, this will be a fantastic learning experience for her little by little in more ways than one! :+1:

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Yup! If she wants to run a store, even an online store, great communication skills as well as great customer service skills are an absolute necessity! Of course quality healthy animals are a must tooooooooo! :sunglasses::+1:

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I get that. It has been a struggle to get to we’re I am currently which is still not great. I can at least speak in class but my face turns bright red talking to anyone who isn’t a close friend and is super annoying.

Hopefully she eventually comes to join the fun one day!

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Good to know there are people here who understand.

Are you in HS or college?

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I am a freshman in high school. I also feel like this community has made he feel more comfortable being myself as I know there are other weirdos (the best weirdos :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:)out there and am not the only one.

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Well Logan you had better get over that red face because remember one of these days I am coming to your store and I will surely want to talk to you face to face! :heart_eyes::wink:

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I don’t mean to be a buzzkill here, but I have some concerns that this is a little…selfish. I love that you’re encouraging your daughter’s passions about keeping, breeding, and furthering the hobby, but you should really have her build up her knowledge base overall before jumping into a project like this. It’s awesome she wants to help the hobby and the species by producing them in captivity, but this is more a long term, experience driven project, not for a novice.

Choosing to work with a species that is not produced in captivity is risky even for someone with experience. There’s a skillset required for WC animals that can’t be built solely through research. You may need to treat for parasites, there’s the possibility of disease being brought into your collection if they’re not long term captive, they tend to be more inclined to escape, etc. As for feeding, did you ask the seller what they were eating? If they were on lizards, well, you’re not gonna have a good time. There is no retailer that offers frozen lizards, and unless you end up breeding your own, you’re going to be paying something like $8/each for live anoles, if they’re even big enough to eat them. There is Reptilinks as Caron mentioned, who sell Iguana links, frog links, frog scent, and anole scent, but that’s no guarantee they’ll eat. The one post I could find anywhere about someone inexperienced trying to keep these ended with the snake dying of starvation after five months.

I just want to be realistic, it’s not an easy thing to do what she wants to do, and there’s a very high chance of failure that could result in the death of one or more of those snakes.

All that said, wishing you both the best of luck in your endeavors, she seems like a good kid with admirable goals for her work!

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I would be really, REAALLLLYYY cautious with using AI for any information. Things like ChatGPT are essentially advanced predictive texts generators, like the word prediction bar on your phone but very much more advanced. I’ve looked into the technology, and there is 0 fact checking – AI text generators not only don’t have any way of making certain the info they’re giving you is true, they have no way to even understand the idea of true or false. The model is entirely based on trying to make sentences that sound true, with no concern for whether they are true or not.

I absolutely would not base the care of any sensitive animal on the generated text from AI. Its an easy mistake to make, because AI text genetators are very good at sounding accurate and legitimate – unfortunately that’s all they’re good at.

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I know but I proofread everything and it matches up with the articles are read on them. I just used it as a way for me to write the information down without actually spending a ton of time typing

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Yeah, hybrids within the “house snake” category are a complicated issue. I think part of it is that people see “house snake” and don’t understand that it encompasses a number of localities and even different species. Moreover the understanding of house snake taxonomy is an evolving field – things get reclassified regularly as molecular understanding outstrips current taxonomic understanding. I think that’s how we got lamprophis being the official house snake genus, but boaedon capensis are also house snakes. (My own understanding is still evolving so don’t quote me, lol)

So you get “morphs” that are hybrid specific (butters and illumos), and morphs that are explicitly due to hybridization (albino in black house snakes) and they get established enough that they get a pass before people really start questioning it.

For what it’s worth I don’t have strong opinions on hybrids. It’d be a shame if any of the localities got hybridized out of existence, but fwiw I don’t think that’s much of a risk with AHS.

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