Why do some people think that cages are inherently better than racks?

I think because they are elitist and put their beliefs over what the animal actually needs.

They take a tiny bit of information, they seen a ball python in the tree in Africa so they must love to climb. Most any animal will climb if it needs too, who knows why it was seen there, the vast majority are dug up out of holes in the ground. They seem to prefer dark warm places, look at where they hide when they are lost out of their enclosure, always dark areas, may not be warm but its almost always dark. In my experience, i take them out for enrichment, they always look for a dark hole.

Tanks especially are very difficult to maintain the husbandry you need for this species. Tanks are for fish not reptiles. I use racks because i can keep them temperature and humidity much better then i can in any box enclosure. I also notice a difference in how consistently in eating between the snakes that are in a clear container and a solid gray. The ones in a solid gray are much faster and much more reliable to eat then any of them in a clear tub.

I had one, i couldnt get to eat for anything, nothing i did worked, i didnt have the solid gray tubs at the time. I sent him to live with my friend, who has a dark tub for him and bam its one of his best eaters.

Box enclosures isnt best for every species. I use one for my Dumerils, he has climbing ability in it, never ever seen him use it. He always buries himself under the fake grass.

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I’m gonna be real, as much as they’re maligned by people who insist you need PVC, front opening, or a tank, Sterilite bins are the MVP for any breeder wanting to give their animals space on a budget. They’re lightweight, easy to move and clean, modifiable, you can get them with seals to hold in humidity. They come in a variety of sizes and securities. For my adult corns, a 160qt on wheels that is stackable is close to the space of a 40B for less than $40. You can use them with heat mats no problem so long as you add some spacers to the bottoms. The clear ones aren’t crystal clear, but still clear enough to watch them through without issue.

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Have you looked at the Dubai enclosures? I found that at about the same. Price per snake I can get the Dubai enclosures. They stack. Are front opening. They are a little tall 12” is the shortest. But they have a 36” X 18” and a 48” X 24”. The only think not to like about them is they don’t have any thing that would be suitable for arboreal animals.

I was going to use bins for a few months and then get rack systems. But I can buy these as I go. And the animals will be much more viewable. So that is how the I am going.

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I’ve never seen those before. Cool! Looks like they do have one arboreal cage (24x18x36).

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I literally changed direction last night after stumbling on to them. Cleaning will be a little more work but totally worth it for the opportunity to view the snakes without disturbing them.

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At $170 for each one, I could totally see the 36x18x12 as a viable compromise for BP breeders. Now if only they’d make 18x12x6 ones for babies.

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I’m doing Hognose snakes and went with the 48”x24”x12”. I think it’s going to be a great set up for me.

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Big cage for a little hognose! Sounds cool, you’ll need to post pictures when the cage gets here.

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Fire sure I also plan on doing a video review if then. I like to go a little bigger in enclosure when I can. My Australian water dragons are in an 8’x4’x6’. Or it will be. My two females are in quarantine. So even when I was looking at racks I was looking at larger racks.

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Thank you @flrt-dennis for your honesty. As a matter of fact all my ball pythons stay in one hide or another. I have never seen any of my guys show arboreal tendencies. If I did I would put them in a semi arboreal environment. As a matter of fact I have to dig one out of its hide just to hold it! Lol!

That being said, I do have one youngster who surfs a bit when it gets close to chow down day. And all my guys are in my room where I spend most of my time day and night. Also even though my kids are in tubs, the tubs are clear and I can see them any time any of them decide to cruise around, (except for my BP kids)I just spent some holding time with my rosy boy and then my GBK girl because they were out and about. Except for my ball pythons who I never see, most of the time it’s like a jungle in my room. And the fact that I am retired gives me even more viewing/interaction time.

@flrt-dennis I appreciate the fact that even though you obviously don’t prefer tubs because you like the front openings enclosures, you were kind enough to include others’ choices as well.

And another thing. If there was only one perfect way to keep each individual species of snake, and I say one only, there would not be so many choices of enclosures, heating methods, lighting methods, substrates, bio active, non bio active, cage furniture, etc. Even specific species care sheet husbandry differ from one to another. Go figure. The choices are available. Period. That’s a great thing because not everyone who wants to own a snake, or even more than a single snake, but can’t afford the biggest and the best terrestrial/Arboreal/Semi Arboreal or whatever else there is out there, can choose options they can afford and still take care of that snake properly without spending hundreds or thousands of dollars. Isn’t that the bottom line? Proper care of the snake so that it eats consistently, poops normally, and sheds without human intervention? So that it thrives/grows? A contented snake tends to do all of those things right?

I get it that we snake people are compassionate towards the methods of husbandry we personally believe in and practice. However that doesn’t give us the right to downgrade others, who choose different options. Bio active for example, has become a very popular substrate. I choose not to use it. But that doesn’t give me the right to rundown those who do use it. (I made the mistake once of calling it a fad. I won’t do that again!). Lol!

Anyway, I’m sure all this will seem like a bunch of hooey to the next person because this thread is less of a learning discussion and more of an opinion discussion. But I love this community because for the most part I learn something here almost every day! And that’s a good thing for an old lady reptile keeper! Or as Jeff Ronne calls me, “The Crazy Boa Lady from Indiana”

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I loathe paper towels, but i use them for hatchlings and juveniles. With the speed of shedding and pooping its just easier to clean. I use reptichip with everyone else.

I have individuals who stress out when they are out, they dont like it and are perfectly happy just being left alone, i have others that seem to like being out. We almost got to fight them to put them back. Those are the ones we take out, let them explore and be out. I have 1 that seems to like her people a lot, she is puppy dog tame, she goes to the school as an educational animal and she is one i would take to the park.

I have a very small operation going ( less then 50) but we feel thats our limit. We cant afford ( financial or physically) any more. I use racks but its what works for us.

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Hey @nikkip Just curious. With the gray tubs do you use hides as well? :thinking:

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If the snake needs one yes. So far none seem to need them.

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Ok that makes sense! My guys are not in racks but their tubs are clear. However I have black hides in the tubs so they can feel secure.

I have seen racks with the gray tubs and I think that’s a great idea! :blush:

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Thank you for the sterilite MVP! Personally imho, the pvc front opening boxes are a pain in the rear to clean, especially the smaller ones, as opposed to the sterilite, for the very reasons you stated. I know that from experience! :+1:

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Btw would you send me a pic of the stackable you have?

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This is the one I use:

The lids hold each additional one really nicely, and the 110qts also stack on it. They also make a gasketed version that is smaller:

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Oh my! Thank you @noodlehaus Jess! Those are so cool! :+1:

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An added bonus: if you need to ever evacuate your home, you can keep a spare one filled with pillowcases and 72 hour reptile heat packs for emergencies. Snake in pillowcase, pillowcase in bin, wheel away!

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Holy cow! What a great idea! Okay so I am sold! I learned something new again from this community! I am going to order some of these!

THANK YOU JESS!!! :clap::pray::+1::blush::smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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