Hi, I think i hatched a Banana Cinnamon Fire Leopard Pastel Phantom. Is it a worlds first? I couldn’t find one like that anywhere online.
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It’s hard to tell if it’s a worlds first, because a lot of large breeders have tones of snakes that if you go look on MM snakes like them have never been sold. You might have a worlds first but really if you want to know you would have to contact every breeder out there and ask him if he has a holdback Banana Cinnamon Fire Leopard Pastel Phantom.
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Sorry I can’t help with the worlds first as I only breed boas.
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Check and see if you can find one with Mystic instead of phantom. They are the same mutation.
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I am going to ante in and probably sound a bit callous with my comment but…
Why does it matter if you have a world’s first or not?
Fifteen to twenty years ago that might have been a thing that gave you clout, but these days, with how cheap multi-gene animals are, literally anyone can make a world’s first. Heck, I have probably made a couple dozen in my last three years of breeding
Unless you are Kobylka, it is unlikely to make much of a ripple
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Its important to me because its my first clutch and back when i used to watch brian breed one worlds first after another it was my dream to one day have one to sell to him. Now he is dead and i see this special all gene animal as the one thing i used to dream of before my idol and mentor passed away. Its like im in 2018 again before everything went bad so sorry that im happy and excited about the one great thing happening to me.
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Not sure if its a World’s first, you’d have to ask around with various breeders who know what they’re doing…
Otherwise congrats on the clutch! The little one is beautiful and healthy looking. It’d be neat to see what the rest of the clutch looks like 
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Heres the rest of the clutch, the funny thing is i hatched the exact morphs of the mom and the dad lol
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Thats a crazy variety of morphs lol, really cool though. What were the genes of the parents?
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The male is a banana cinnamon and the mom is a phantom leopard pastel fire
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That’s a really nice passel of pretty babies!
Edit to add: sometimes we just have to give ourselves a pat on the back for a job we think is well done! 
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@moonlightmonsters
I am not a ball python guy, but I do appreciate the work it takes to make what we like. I think all your balls look nice, and you should be proud of them even if they are not a world first. I produce sunglow, jungles, and motley boas. Not anything new, but in my opinion, they are fantastic looking and what I like.
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@tommccarthy I certainly second that Tom! 
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Are you sure that this hatchling is banana? That eye stripe is VERY dark…And it looks like the snake hasn’t shed yet? If that’s the case this isn’t the true color of the snake.
An easy way to tell is to shine a flashlight on top of his head like you would candle an egg. If the eyes glow red, they have banana/coral glow. If only the pupil does, it’s not banana/CG
The pattern doesn’t look like it lines up as having phantom/mystic. Cinnamon and BEL genes tend to create a tight chain pattern. The pattern on this one looks more similar to leopard fire pewter.
Also…you can currently have the baby shed tested for most of the genes involved. Cinnamon is the only one without a test at the moment.
Gorgeous clutch though either way
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I thought so too but i found that pic of a leopard fire pewter and u can see theres no banana and its very dark but mine looks almost identical to his banana sibling besides having the brown marbling and black stripe
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It is entirely possible to be proud and happy with a clutch regardless of whether or not you made a world’s first. That was the point I was getting at.
It is your first clutch, THAT is exciting. They are all healthy animals, THAT is exciting
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Christina is quite correct in her observation, your animal is not a Banana. The example you pulled from MM is one that has shed and had time for the pigments to finish oxydizing, which is part of the reason why the colour looks different compared with your freshly hatched, unshed hatchling. Also, your animal is not a Pewter because it does not have Cinny
What were the parents? My suspicion is that your animal is a SuperPastel Fire Leopard Phantom. Or maybe just a Fire Leopard Pastel Phantom
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Uhm actually:point_up:t3:
the eyes glow red so it def has banana, i also hatched what you just said and it looks entirely different.
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I’m not seeing banana in that snake nor do the eyes look red. I think you’re struggling with some identification mixups here, which is not unexpected as someone new to breeding
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This is not a definitive identification. I do not have Banana in my collection and I have at least a half dozen animals that have eyes that glow red
Further, Banana is a hypomelanism-type mutation and your animal very clearly displays melanin
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Did you forget that bananas literally have black spots all over their body?
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