This makes more sense. After all they are already 5 months old so they have a decent start in life. If they were not eating peeing and pooping and growing, that would be a different situation.
I am anxious to see how the one you have grows. I am also thankful that you gave little wavey head Daikon a chance. Otherwise I would not have her now………. 
Which I have no problems with, but OP has stated they don’t want to spend the money to see if there are indeed any issues found on x-ray or ultrasound that could be a potential health hazard, just that they’ll see what happens with these and repeat the adult pairing to see if it proves out again. They already look bloated so who knows what issues are happening when the organs for a snake 2-3x longer are smushed in that small space…and we won’t know until they potentially start to suffer or a necropsy is done.
If you look into the post that was brought up with a similarly short corn snake, it’s spine was already a mess. The owner actually went to X-ray and see.
Heck, I have in my own collection a snake with a neck kink that we have already checked to make sure there were no other issues involved with his QOL as a hatchling. It’s just good husbandry to follow up on these issues especially before trying to say it’s a new potential mutation.
I’ll put it bluntly: conversations about x-rays have been had between me and my closest corn confidants since I first recognized something was up with these. But I’m here to show the community something cool. I’m not taking a poll on how or if to proceed. I don’t owe random strangers any sort of commitment, or even a reveal of every aspect of my plans for these. You were given a lot less heads-up about scaleless and leucistc palmetto, and no one asked your opinion or mine when the morph originators were dumping these genes via wholesaled females onto the market. We didn’t even know about it before the captive gene pool was compromised. Maybe hybrid genes are no big deal to you, and I’m not going to pretend they are for me. But they are for some, and those people never had a say. That goes for ultra too.
So relax and evaluate the updates as they come. I’m not here for Internet slapfights over differences of opinion. 
So stop tagging me back in replies. I was responding to a quote someone else made of my own comments.
You already agreed to disagree. =P
It’s my business. But yeah, talking to you directly does seem pointless. So I’ll stop.
X-rays are one step and I hope that they’ll be x-rayed at some point, although I think waiting until they’re bigger would be ideal. But a whole picture will include observations and repeating the pairing as well, in my opinion. Anyway, I hope that we’ll see updates as they grow - positive or negative!
I hope that yours works out for you. They’re cute hatchlings at least. Lol
That’s the plan. They need to be at least subadult. And in the meantime, the pairing that produced them will be repeated.
Meanwhile many dozens of their sibs and cousins will be out there getting with each other and other corns, spreading that gene around. I don’t think I’m the Dutchboy with his finger in the dam holding back this flood. 
Sonny and Rico are absolutely lovely! Do they know what a great big ruckus they have caused? I bet not. I am glad you posted pictures of the proud parents! Thank you!
Thanks for the support.
I think most of the negative-leaning opinions come from a place of caution and maybe fear. But if I haven’t made it clear already, I think that worrying excessively about the health of the captive gene pool at this point is a “lockjng the barn door after the horse has gotten away” endeavor.
These guys are thriving now, and any corn fan with one of these in hand would be grinning, but I’ve made no prediction about their future. So I’m not afraid to update, happy or sad.
Hahaha. They can be troublemakers all they like! Their clutch was amazing without the Bantams. Check out Freakie, the male Miami Shatter Stripe, clutchmate brother to the Bantams.
Nobody, and I mean nobody even came close to saying anything remotely close to that. All that was said was keep a close eye on them and make sure everything develops properly. If everything goes well, then great. If not then don’t continue breeding them or the original pair. Nobody is attacking anyone over this, and as far as I can see, and are just wanting the best possible outcome for this with the health of these snakes taking all priority. And the reason for so much caution and concern is because this has never been documented before in any snakes other than the accessional fluke here or there.
And as for the name, it may not carry any meaning to some people but to those who keep chicken or come from a background with them, all it will do is create confusion.
I don’t know about others here but I take my time writing these post for the more… controversial topics. Even after finishing I will go do something for at least 5 minutes so I can think if it is something that needs to be addressed, adds to the discussion, and is a well thought out, unbiased response. I always do my best to stay neutral in these things as I believe that is the best approach when a project is still in the infant stage and needs more time. I am not going to lie, I really didn’t expect this type of post from you @caron.
Holy cow! Freakie is, let’s see, I’m at a loss for words, and that doesn’t happen too often, Freakie!
No seriously he is definitely one of a kind. I find it rather amazing that one clutch could turn out so many unusual unique little critter corns. Nature has its own way of surprising us with such delightful creations. Life is always so precious.
I am just letting you know that I would be very interested in getting my hands on a very high expression male like Frootloop, if the project proves heathly, when you produce some more. I would love to see if Leaky’s giant genes and this very stocky gene would make some very long and very chunky corns 
This is going to be a wonderful project to follow!
THE LONKY LEAKYS!!!
I also want to say that i also didn’t mean anything bad with the tail thing i was just pointing out what i saw. I do fully support this and im very excited to see how these corns turn out as long as they prove to be healthy. And @lumpy i’d definitely love to see some Lonky Leakys or some Chongkys lol!
Yeah, it’s hard to see true tail length in pics unless at least the back half is flat/on one plane.
I don’t know if you’ve ever done subcaudal scale counts or tail shape evaluation sexing from pics, but people will ask me to, and in 9 out of 10 pics they provide, a substantial portion is pointing away from the camera, and I can’t see true length, much less scales.
100% agreed. No one in the thread suggested culling. We asked questions, stated opinions regarding what we would do as far as evaluation of the animals. If they were mine, I’d be hanging onto them, raising them as usual, documenting. For the record, I’ll say again that I would get imaging done for at least one of them now, before breeding the parents again. The fact that the parents’ relatives are already out in the population would not be relevant to me.
I don’t read any of the statements as fear. Caution, yes. That’s appropriate with a mutation with potential health concerns. I am happy that the animals already hatched are thriving. I imagine we all are. It’s great that you’re out there and willing to update the hobby as things progress, @deanaii .
Agreed, completely. The breeders who did this hard and (I’m sure) heart-wrenching work to figure out stargazer and its mode of inheritance truly did an incredible service for the hobby. This “Bantam” mutation may turn out to be similar or it may not.
There is an important difference, though. Stargazer is the result of a neurological defect. There is no readily available, relatively inexpensive evaluation for neuro defects. “Bantam” looks like a potential skeletal abnormality. Xrays are cheap. I know, they’re not my animals and they act healthy. (Again, I’m glad they do.) No matter how they act, I would be getting at least one xrayed. Not my decision, I know.
