Bel produced from black pewter x pastel bamboo pairing

Ok so i produced a bel from a pairing that shouldn’t have had a bel complex gene on the dames side. She was sold as a black pewter and has never been paired before until this season. I paired a banana pinstripe to her early in season. I decided to put my pastel bamboo to her late pairing and he had 2 locks. Im looking for help identifying why I got a bel. Attached are pics of the sire,dame, and bel hatchling. Also the bel has red pupils but i also checked my sire and he also has red pupils with a light behind the eyes. There is a thread on identifying banana in bels. The bel is also a female. My banana pin was a male maker. So the red pupil deal is also true with bamboo apparently. Ill also attach clutch pic. Any help is welcome on this one.

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It looks as though you black pewter is actually a pastel cinnamon fire, and you got a partho clutch. just my opinion though maybe others will chime in

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I definitely agree that is cinnamon and not black pastel.

Cant be a partho when there is a sterling bamboo in there.

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Also the sex ratio is 2.4

I thought the same with her for a while but many breeders say black pewter

The partho clutch still confuses me. Tbh

Also fire would produce black eyed Lucy not blue correct?

Partho is when the female self fertilizes. So neither of your males would be the sire. I’ve never had one myself. The snake in the bottom picture appears to have some sort of pattern though. Which some bels do. If it was a partho clutch I’m assuming the bel would be super bamboo. Im thinking it wasn’t a partho clutch either unless it’s a split partho but I don’t even know if that’s a thing lol. That would be wild if it was for sure!

From the look of your pic of your animal it has a black eye with a red pupil = Black eye lucy
Blue eye lucy’s have blue eyes.
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Maybe a better pic of the eyes, would help :woman_shrugging:
The only reason i was thinking super fire was because you have what looks to be a fire cinny and and fire pewter in your clutch pic.

I am pretty sure You can have a single animal in a clutch come from a partho

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Definitely my rubbish phone. I post first shed pics to the thread o ce they all shed

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I’m not much help on this one. But just throwing a comparison in as far as wandering if your female is hiding a BEL Gene. This is my Mystic Pewter. Out of a super mystic female and a male that was pewter plus more. I haven’t seen as many adult black pewter’s in comparison to regular adult pewter’s so I’m not as familiar with spotting that difference. But maybe the female is mojave, mystic or something similar in addition to being pewter/black pewter

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The bamboo pastel is the sire. So the pewter/ black pewter is the dame. If partho clutch I should have pastel black pastel/ cinny and what ever bel gene shes hiding?

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Well then In theory you should have super pewter’s. If she is hiding a bel gene you would get bels. Bels are going to show you wouldn’t see the cinny in them. If this makes sense. The bel looks like it has a pattern though on the sides. Do you have better pictures of it? Also I’ve never had a partho clutch and will admit it’s not my area of expertise. There are probably a few people on here that can explain the partho ins and outs better than me.

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Given the patterning on the animal (as seen in that full clutch shot) my guess is what you have is a Bamboo Sterling and it just needs to shed and oxidize up a bit for you to be able to better see this

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This thread has a lot of great info on partho clutches and may clear up some confusion

Parthenogenesis and null allele

I feel like there is a bit on confusion here. I believe @joshq84 is asking about the one pictured seperately above and not the one in the group clutch pic, maybe he can clear that up

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I was under the impression that they were one and the same. So yes, clarity would be helpful

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One is yes. I have another with no pattern

Yes the one pictured separately. The one in clutch pic i believe is a sterling bamboo. The rest of the clutch i have no clue. First bamboo clutch ive produced

Well, that adds a bit of a wrinkle then.

I agree that there might be Fire floating about in one of your animals but I have another question before I commit to that as the probable answer - What were the pairings that produced both of the parents?

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