Breeding Super pastel hypo x Axanthic

Yes I understand I should have been more specific can I not accomplish my goal with the offspring?

Plan is to pair the parents,

Then down the line pair the offspring to reach my goal.

You say it’s not worth it so I may just cut my loss on this female being my x Axanthic & find a true super pastel but I definitely wouldn’t mind putting the time/work into the pairing since I have a good feeling about future clutches from the offspring.

Appreciate it, Thanks!

Also how is Desert ghost x Axanthic possible?

I’ve seen several people get white & black offspring off the first clutch I just don’t understand how that’s possible if what your saying goes for all hypo?

Desert ghost (Hypo) x Axanthic (Axanthism)

Editing for clarification: this first section is about the post above regarding breeding axanthic to desert ghost.
It isn’t possible. It is a recessive, so unless both parents carry the genes in some form (het or visual) you will 100% get only double hets.

The pairing you just listed will provide you with 100% het axanthic 100% desert ghost. All offspring would have these genetics.

I would also avoid breeding siblings together. Beeeders will breed a snake back to one of its parents, but breeding siblings from what I understand usually isn’t recommended.

If you tried to breed the siblings together, it’s possible you hit a super pastel axanthic (ghost)hypo,

What @eaglereptiles said above is true for ALL recessive genes. Not just ghost, or axanthic, or desert ghost, etc. each parent has to have a copy of the gene in order for it to be visual in the offspring.

Regarding the time it takes, it’ll be a minimum of 2-3 years after you get the offspring. Before you can breed them, which would be assuming they’re up to size and choose to breed. Not always the case.

To recap:
Breeding a super pastel hypo to an axanthic will give you all babies with:
Pastel 100% double het ghost(hypo) axanthic
If these were paired together, you have a 1/64 chance at getting a super pastel ghost(hypo) axanthic (double visual recessive).
Breeding any offspring back to either parent will not give you a super pastel (ghost)hypo axanthic, no matter how you pair them.

I personally wouldn’t commit to 3+ years of time for a 1/64 chance, when you could potentially get animals that could achieve your goals faster. That’s a personal preference.


Hypo, no desert ghost here.

Hypo (also known as ghost) is not the same as desert ghost, which is completely separate recessive morph.

It is impossible to get what you want from the the first pairing, by breeding the offpsring together you have a (low) chance of getting a true ghost. For the most part you’re just going to produce pastels that are hets and pos hets


Yeah, I made an edit as I realized my wording wasn’t exactly clear what I meant. I was referring to his comment


Yep, the offspring of that clutch bred to one another can give you results of Super Pastel Hypo Axanthics

This should help.

Recessive – with the traits in this list, both parents need to be either “het” or “visual” for the trait in order for the offspring to be “visual”.

Inc Dom / Dom - with the traits on this list, only one parent needs to have the trait to be expressed visually in the offspring

Two things to unravel here:

  1. Axanthic is the trait causing the black and white colour. Axanthic = Lacks Red pigmentation, Yellow pigmentation or both.
  2. Hypo does not make a snake black and white, just fades the tone down so it looks like it’s always in a shed cycle.

Head over to the Morphpedia and play around with a few of the tags. Also, check out the glossary.


Ah okay that makes sense I was confused on that because there’s breeders saying they’ve used
Desert Ghost that’s non Axanthic Het so that’s where all the confusion is coming from,

So the plan for that is I’ll use the offspring paired to another VPI Axanthic once they are of age/size then once they breed I should get mostly White & Black,

I know this will take quite some time but I am prepared since I really really wanna breed my
own White & Black since they are so so hard to
find where I am in Canada :canada:

Thanks to all who replied to my post!

I really appreciate it✔️


Depending on what male I choose this will be the parent offspring

Hypo super pastel/Super pastel hypo x Axanthic ___


[Pastel (Pastel Jungle)]
Double Het Axanthic Ghost

[Pastel (Pastel Jungle)]
Double Het Axanthic - VPI Line Ghost

[Pastel (Pastel Jungle)]
Double Het Axanthic - Snake Keeper Line Ghost

Then Ill be pairing the offspring with a whole new Axanthic male & or Offspring x Offspring


Then I’m hoping for something like this/


I’d avoid using jungle for the calculator unless you have a jungle that you’re getting. It isn’t the same as as a super pastel.

Also breeding an offspring back to a different axanthic male will only give you a chance at pastel axanthic het hypo, unless you’re getting an axanthic that is het or visual for hypo already.

I’m not sure what you put in for the parents on the MorphMarket calculator but that isn’t correct for the pairings you’ve described. I’ll try to help type something up for you in the morning, I’m off for the night.


Keep in mind there are multiple lines of axanthic that are NOT compatible with each other. So whatever line you pick you will need to keep with that line.

There does seem to be some synergistic effect of combining axanthic and desert ghost (and some also say pastel goes well with both) that makes a nicer black and white snake. And to really knock it out of the park add clown which unexpectedly (to me anyway) produces an almost California king snake looking black and white. Search for pictures of JKR’s VPI axanthic clown desert ghost.

It got me trying to figure out how to add dg to all my projects. Unfortunately I’m very late to the game with my first possible quad het axanthic clown hypo dg girls hatched in 2022. And I’ll need more tests to become available and lots of luck to even know if I have a chance.

Sure the 1:256 odds per egg of hitting the quad visual from a pair of quad hets are astronomical but the odds of producing normals goes down with more hets too and I have a few codoms mixed in. Should be a blast trying even if it does take years and years and years.


My mistake meant to put (Axanthic Het Hypo),

The calculator kept adding it same with on the other calculator I’ll check that out!

Definitely gonna do some more looking around
for another female most likely a Firefly Het Axanthic
plus a male VPI Axanthic I’m picking up,

I’d still love to see what this Super Pastel Hypo can help produce long term with her offsprings offspring
since I know there’s some wonderful possible morph outcomes but figure I get something that’s already Het Axanthic to pair with my male Axanthic,

Really wanna reach my goal of black & white offspring but wouldn’t mind something close,

I also have a beautiful Lemonblast I would possibly also like to pair with my male Axanthic to produce
Lemonblast Het Axanthic & after that I was thinking Lemonblast Axanthic if I decide to do so!

Any suggestions/advice is welcome & appreciated,

Was going with VPI Axanthic or TSK Axanthic as my males here’s some shots of the two I’m picking from,

For sure getting the first one

It’s a VPI Axanthic 66% Het albino

But wondering if I should get the second one,

It’s higher in price but way lighter in colour,

It’s a VPI Axanthic Blade/Super blade 66% Het clown

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Also keep in mind that desert ghost is not the same as hypo/orange ghost/green ghost/ghost.and even then those may not be compatible across all lines

If one parent is truly a different recessive, and the animal you are getting is visual axanthic you want to find a male that is at least het for both recessives. Or visual hypo or desert ghost het axanthic of the right type

Please make sure to do more research on the recessives. It’s a bit frustrating to wrap your head around, but much less money to loose if you understand what works and what doesn’t


Thank you much appreciated & I’ve been doing a lot more research on ball python/python genetics!

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Check out firefly axanthic for one of your parents. They appear to have one of the cleanest looking black/white contrasts for the single recessive. I would also looking into the lace gene as it could be a good addition for this combo though I haven’t personally seen it.

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Definitely possible and more than a worthy and rewarding project.

This is an an adult Pastel True Ghost (TSK x Orange Ghost Lines) so you can imagine a super pastel version.

This female is being used in a triple recessive project and is curently paired to a Hypo Mojave Pied.


Welcome back to the forums!! Been a long time since we’ve seen you here. Another wealth of knowledge :slight_smile:

Great looking snake, by the way!


Exactly what I was thinking or

This is my other mother I’m going to purchase,
If not this female very close! (Firefly or Superfly)

This is gonna be my main father but was considering grabbing two fathers since I want a lighter Axanthic male to see if there’s much of a difference but I was told it shouldn’t make a difference.

Awesome, Really appreciate your comment!!!
That’s a beautiful python got me excited for the journey!

This is the female I’ll be using she still has quite some time till she’s ready but time fly’s & she’s gaining weight fast so shouldn’t be to to long✔️


What is going to make the most difference here is whether the breeder you’re buying from has axanthics that stil look good as adults. Axanthic morphs are notorious for looking great and monochromatic as hatchlings, then browning out and looking pretty “meh” has adults. So before buying any I’d make sure you see pictures of the parents and other axanthics from this line in the breeder’s collection so you don’t end up with disappointing looking adults. Axanthic is one of those morphs that I personally would go top of the line with, or not bother at all