Morning all. I saw the post doing the rounds yesterday regarding the true Hypo mutation and its all white Super (which the breeder states is viable). I can post the link here if that allowed but I have no permissions from the breeder to do so.
Thoughts from those with a better understanding of cresties than I? Is this a Lilywhite mix-up with a short-lived Super and some misleading text from the breeder or something truly new?
Sounds interesting, i would love to read the post? I think it’s pm impossible to tell what’s going on without the actual source and more information, could be a misunderstanding since there’s several “true” hypomelanistic traits afaik, could be that the person doesn’t really understand what hypomelanism means, but they actually have found something new, could be a lucky LW partho? Im still learning though, im very interested in any potential new information (:
I don’t deal with cresties so I can’t exactly comment on the genetics, but I’m a bit wary at the fact that they’ve only produced one super and it’s only a month old. That’s not really enough time/animals to make any sort of conclusion on. They also say they still need to do more breeding to see if the Scaleless and Black Eyed Leucy can be separated. Tbh doesn’t look like there’s enough info just yet.
It looks legit imo, the leucistic looks nothing like the super LWs behaviour-wise, and it looks like there’s no LW involved. Hope it ends up getting another name once we know more though, i feel like calling it “genetic hypo” is gonna be confusing, the other hypos aren’t any less hypo or genetic afaik. Seems like he’s been doing a lot of research behind the scenes, but also like there’s still much more to be done like with most new genes popping up, it takes time, doesn’t make it any less real though. Also hoping that these ones don’t have any issues, i know scalelessness in some reptiles can cause issues (:
Beautiful animal.
I honestly don’t know much about crestie genetics…but…
Something to consider on this animal is the scaleless part for sure. A solitary male may not have issues, but depending on how aggressive your males are in breeding season, the females may get really banged up and sometimes seriously wounded. Lizards without that protective layer are much more delicate. It probably won’t be quite as messy as breeding a silkback beardie female, but the biting around the neck can still be a problem.
Everything else is just watching and waiting. The animal is still young, but so far looks pretty healthy and alert otherwise.
I’m confused as to what the pairing was or what ‘true genetic hypo’ is? For this to happen. So much has been said but it’s all over the place (or is it just me? I’m confused what this Gecko is, what the do the others look like and what are the genetics involved?
It might be legit, however it is very early stages as to whether the baby will survive. I really hope it does though🤞
From my understanding it’s a new hypo gene he’s been working with that he’s proven out to have a leucistic superform - “Genetic hypo” is what he’s decided to call the trait. Not sure if he’s using the correct terminology in his post based on my understanding of genetics but yeah it seems like a new incomplete dominant hypo trait (:
Interesting for sure but I agree that the terminology being used is confusing and rather messy at this stage.
It would be nice to get this project into experienced hands to properly test breed…
I don’t have facebook so I was just trying to imagine in my head what this animal might look like, and when I tell you the transluscent gummy bear baby was NOT it
I’d like to see more than ONE example of a “super” before this can be claimed as being a new codom gene.
Usually you’d need to make a few supers. Would be wild to see if it makes it and is reproducible though, because then that gives some validity to it all.
I agree with others, calling it “genetic hypo” almost seems like they’re trying put down the other hypos out there. I get wanting to distinguish it from a line bred trait, but I didn’t think there were really that many “line bred” traits in cresties.
Edited to add: if anyone can get pics of the other combos he’s made, I’d love to see them too. I’d like to see how they look as adults and what they look like I’m combos.
Agreed, there are only baby/juvie photos in his post, but i assume he’s got some adults since he’s been able to make the one super + the other combos in the post? They definitely look special though, but im not sure i get what makes them “more” hypo than other hypos in the hobby? Maybe it’s gonna end up like the “melanistic” super capp, where it turns out that it’s something completely different in the end? Could the lack of scales be the cause of the leucistic look, and not actual leucism? I mean, i’ve seen geckos with what looks like leucistic spots due to a lack of scales from an injury? Ive got so many questions haha it’s definitely interesting
Speaking about this yesterday.
And I won’t say much as not my place too, but I will say, not PROVEN atm. It’s the only one they’ve had. So He’s getting way ahead of himself atm.
It certainly seems that way, but then again, with a Gecko like that, how could you keep it quiet! But still I’d suggest more clarity on the situation.
People won’t be interested if it’s not viable. Or ethical
Esp as only thing I have found when searching similar to this is dead or nearly dead geckos as in Geckos that would not make it without serious help!
I can’t unsee that
Interesting. My thoughts were similar given the limited data shared and the few juvenile images only. I presume he has at least two adult Hypos in order to claim this as a super. Too early and too little shared I guess…