Hello I really could use help with this clutch first ever. I think I know a few but confused on what I have. Male is a banana butter pastel pinstripe. The female is just a cinnamon.
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Ohhh those are some pretty lil’ babies 
I’ll go ahead and share my guesses…
#1- Pastel
#2- Banana Lesser Pewter (?) -Or Banana Lesser Pastel?
#3- Lesser Pewter (?)
#4- Banana Lesser Pewter
#5- Banana Pastel Pinstripe
#6- Banana Cinnamon
#7- Not sure at all from the pairing info this one seems… definitely different, but gorgeous!
#8- Banana Pastel Lesser Pinstripe (?) -Maybe Pewter?
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Thank you for your input number 7 is the most confusing to me as well.
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You probably just hit some really awesome odds with the genes you put together.
Hopefully someone else will be able to chime in on the matter.
I was thinking maybe a Kingpin (Lesser Pinstripe) Pewter but the pattern doesn’t match up with what I’m comparing to on MM. Maybe one of the parents has something else at play too?
A good way to judge would be sharing photos of the parents
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So the males parents where a male banana leopard Mojave enchi pastel to female kingpin.
I don’t have the parents of the female cinnamon.
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I would say Christina is pretty close on most of these
My IDs would be:
- 1 Pastel
- 2 Banana Butter Pewter
- 3 Butter Pewter
- 4 Banana Butter Cinny
- 5 Banana Pinstripe
- 6 Banana
- 7 Butter Pastel Pinstripe
- 8 Pastel Pinstripe
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Are you positive this female has never been bred before now? I’m very confused by babies because you’ve got bamboos here, but I also see butters. Babies look confusing because you’ve got bamboo in the mix as well. 2, 3, and 7 are undoubtedly bamboo combos and I’m a little surprised no one else saw that.
I see:
- Pastel
- Bamboo banana pastel
- Bamboo cinnamon
- Banana butter pastel
- Banana pinstripe
- Banana pastel
- Bamboo pinstripe combo
- Pastel pinstripe
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After looking at some comparisons on MorphMarket, I believe your male is also carrying bamboo. I would strongly recommend testing him through RGI. Bamboo butter combos are generally white but adding banana, pinstripe and pastel back in must have added more pattern back to him. You’ve definitely got three bamboo babies, so either it’s retained sperm or your male is also bamboo. Could you post a picture of the sire on a flat surface with his whole head and body visible? From the side he’s looking bamboo to me.
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I do not know what the female was bred to before I got her. If she was it happened two years ago or more because I picked her up in September 2023. When I bought her I wasn’t given any info besides sex, morph and year born. I got her from an expo and the people at the table said they don’t know much about the snake. I emailed the breeder but didn’t get any info except that she was born 2012. I just don’t know how banana and bamboo would be together. The breeder I got the male from asked to see the female as well because there’s no bamboo in anything they bred to produce him
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I totally realize there was no known bamboo in anything used to produce him, but you’ve got bamboo babies, so it’s 100% there somehow. Either by stored sperm (which seems unlikely given that the bamboo babies have other genes also present in your male) or he’s hiding bamboo, which seems more likely. I agree it’s hard to tell in pictures, which is why I’d recommend shed testing him to confirm. But those babies are undoubtedly bamboo. It’s entirely possible that the breeder could have mis-IDed bamboo as butter combos like folks here, as they can look similar.
He does look bamboo to me. Those white markings on his side are bamboo-esque. I would expect the combo without bamboo to be darker.
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Yea it looks like I will be holding onto more of these babies than anticipated. I will have to get a shed test done on the male but it’s going to be the expensive test. I have always wanted to get him tested. This is a crazy first clutch. I bred him with my Pastel Blackhead Mojave. I raised her from a baby she’s from TSK so I have all the background on her. Let’s hope she gives me a clutch might get better understanding or even more confused. Thank you for your help
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So this was what the breeder of the male thinks the babies are.
Enchi
Bamboo enchi pastel
Bamboo cinnamon
Banana Pastel
Banana pewter enchi
Banana pin
Bamboo enchi pin maybe cinnamon\pastel
Pewter enchi pin
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I’m not seeing Enchi, at least not in any of these hatchlings that breeder listed with Enchi
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I know it makes no sense when I sent the picture of the male and the female I have gotten no response been two days. They are Saying the first snake is a enchi. I don’t even think it’s a pastel truthfully.
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I don’t see enchi either. The snake is pastel though, you’ve got multiple pastel babies.
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There are no Bamboos in this clutch. Most obviously because if the male were carrying Bamboo as well then he would be a BluEL, which he very clearly is not
What you are seeing is the distortion of Butter pattern when it interacts with Cinny and Pastel in the Pewter combo
Reading back through his earlier posts, I see that I missed that one of the parents to the male was carrying Enchi, which would certainly account for the GRP I am seeing in a number of these that I was having difficulty placing
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How exactly does the breeder account for the fact that there was no Bamboo in the pairing that created the male you used??? Per your above:
You cannot get Bamboo if it was never there to begin with 
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So… Now that I have seen the above mentioned pairing info, my revised IDs would be:
My IDs would be:
- 1 Enchi
- 2 Banana Butter Pewter
- 3 Butter Enchi Pewter
- 4 Banana Butter Cinny
- 5 Banana Enchi Pinstripe
- 6 Banana
- 7 Butter Enchi Pastel Pinstripe
- 8 Pastel Pinstripe
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I’m sorry, but you’re wrong on this one. All three of those babies are bamboo. I would stake my business on it. This is not butter, this is 100% bamboo. I’d be happy to pull some photos from MM ads for comparison to show you this is in fact bamboo.
If you look on MorphMarket past sales, you’ll see that bamboo combo BELs with banana in them gain yellow pigment as they get older. Either that’s what’s happening here, or the dad is bamboo INSTEAD of lesser, or there was retained sperm from another male. I guarantee if OP were to test these babies they would come back as bamboo.
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If we’re saying this is a banana butter pewter, here are multiple other examples of that combination from MM ads:
This is examples of what I said it is (bamboo banana pastel)
Or just banana bamboo without pastel:
And ther OP’s snake:
I promise I’m not trying to be confrontational here, but the fact is these are bamboo babies. The white pattern in the alien heads, the banding over the back, the yellow and silver tint to them all scream bamboo. I know it wasn’t there in the known pairing, but it is here in these babies, so the best thing OP can do is try to figure out where it came from.
Baby #7 is another good example.
Butter pastel pinstripe examples:
Bamboo pinstripe examples:
And OP’s baby #7:
This is not lesser/butter interaction. These are bamboos.
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Ok so I’m glad I’m not the only one that is so unsure. I thought I knew morphs but nope. I want to add in one thing that could be there and that’s the daddy gene. That’s what I thought at first never bamboo. I’m sorry for the stress guys would be nice if the big breeders wouldn’t charge to help we need Brian back. Thanks again.
All BluELs gain yellow as they age. What BluELs do NOT gain is Pinstripe patterning
The sire is not a BluEL. Pretending that he is is ridiculous
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Retained sperm from a Bamboo would not allow for any offspring that also carried Banana, or Pastel, or Pinstripe because you cannot get genes from two separate males into the same embryo. That is biology 101
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And once again, we point to the pairing information that was very plainly given to us by the OP: a male banana leopard Mojave enchi pastel to female kingpin
No Bamboo in the pairing means no Bamboo in the offspring. Or are you arguing that the breeder of the male does not know how to ID their own animals?
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According to who? Nothing I am seeing here would indicate the presence of the Daddy gene